Wrong focus with the civilians
- Since the Air Force is going to pay for a bunch of civilians to administer PT tests why do they not use them to conduct unit PT. Most squadron PT fitness monitors, while having good intentions, are not fitness experts or personal trainers. If you made the PT sessions mandatory (yes sometimes that jet will not get fixed in time) and conducted by qualified personal trainers then the results would be better. (oh by the way once a week is not enough) Correct training will yield the best results. Incorrect training will yield no results. I also agree the waist measurement needs to be overhauled. If the AF is really concerned about excess body fat then use an accurate body fat measurement instead of a waist measurement. You can design equipment to the human factor norm but not measure fitness on a physical measurement norm. It just does not work. The AF is headed in the right direction they are just dancing on the rudder peddles too much and getting there in a crooked line.
- —Guest Retired maintenance and Ops
Just do it
- Come on. It's really not that difficult. All you drama queens out there complaining that you have to be in "marathon" shape or a world class athlete to pass the test...get real. The test reflects pretty basic standards to show that you are in some resemblance of physical shape; not too much to ask as far as I'm concerned. Those of you complaining about working 12 hour days, turning wrenches, etc.; join the club. Those of us that make time to work out will go ahead and pass the test, while those of you crying "poor me" will eventually get weeded out...and that's just fine with this 19-year SNCO who has had to bust his balls to balance work, personal time, and fitness. Yeah, the test isn't perfect. Whatever. You can still pass, pretty easily, at that. Stop crying. Kudos to those who realize that fitness is simply a condition of employment, get off their butts, and just do it. The rest of you...try to man up a little.
- —Guest Seriously?
Old Guy
- Guest Joeseph should be serving on the front line. Hand that young man a rifle, maybe he can impress the enemy with his physical ability.
- —Guest Ben
Measurements not fair
- I was told my waist was 41 one day another day a different person said no you are only a 36 around I said wh-wha-what. With the 36 I can pass the test, but with a 41 I'm a failure before I start, so I quit after 12 years I'm done. Was I the only one that had different measurements everytime? When I got the 36 the tester let me spin into the tape. I fit into a 36 pants okay. The 41 must have had way too much slack.
- —Guest I'm huge
big neck
- I always had a 39.5+ waist. But the difference is I'm 72 inches tall, and my neck is 18.5 inches so my body fat is about 20% which used to be within standards for a young guy. Why not measure our necks and get a body fat. I'm sure I have less body fat than alot on airman with a 35 waist, why because they have a 14 neck and are 66 inches, run the numbers. A short 62 in airman I knew as a 13 inch neck and a 36 waist, look at that gap 23 inches but he's okay he not over weight. A 13/14 neck is small for a male, but how many airman have very small necks--most!!1 I have one of the biggest necks on my base.
- —Guest Big waist
WTH?!? how does this make any sense
- 70"/ 170lbs/ 33.5 inch waist. On profile; can only get waist measured. Under the new standards i only need a 33 inch waist & keep my current weight to score 100%!?! How does that indicate my fitness?? Obviously i'm a exeption and not the rule, but there is the issue of a reward for scoring @ 90% or better, more importatly any lower level incetives; things such as getting a day off or not attenting unit PT if required for everyone else does? For the record, i would rather be complaining like everyone else about taking the PT test then to have my condition that keeps me from even taken part in regular PT!
- —Guest E-6 SOL
PT Test Baby
- I could care less about the new standards, i wouldnt care if they made it hard. Im 6.1 185 33 in waist, 1 mile 1/2 in 9:48 and 77 pushups, 52 situps, get in shape all you lames and quit wining it is not hard
- —Guest joseph
Epic Fail
- I would never expect the AF management to answer to any of the worker grade, (anyone not at headquarters), but I'll say it as simply as possible. A 6'3" man is NOT supposed to have a 32" waist. Idiots. It's great to see the air force physically fitter than before, but it's stupidity like this waist measurement that causes me to have zero respect for those running things. In 1 year or less, this will be graduated, based on height. Morons. I am a TSgt Reservist who has always done fine on the test, but it needs to be a valid test.
- —Guest Michael
time to go
- Yes I admit I was part of the problem. I used to buy airman beer/cash to let me pass the test, but I was part of the pencil wiping AF. How many airman knew that you could ask to be cut a deal, if the tester didn't respond I ask for a special deal, worked fine. How many times did I cheat and change my measurements (everytime) because I was over fat, based on how tight the tape was pulled. I feel sorry for the young airman with a big waist, like me. I have done my twenty like so many others overweight and over fat my entire career. Yes I did make my weight once in basic training, since that I have been able to cheat, lie and pay for special deals, that is how this fat senior nco and so many other fatsos made a career. Sorry the secret is out. Now I am glad to retire.
- —Guest fat snco
PT
- I'm 5'6 and 180 lbs (fat boy according to standard). I smoke a pack a day, eat like crap, and I hate PT, but you'd better believe that I pass that test. Every time I get a chance to do PT I go and I work as hard as I can until it's over, I vomit, or pass out. I'll never run a marathon, I'll never bench 250lbs, and I'll never compete in an olympic event, but no one's asking me to. All that is required of me is that I conform to the standard and pass the test. No it isn't fair, no not everyone will be given time for it, but life's not fair. You jokers who wine about people having all the time in the world to train for this let me tell you about my SNCOs and Officers. They get up at 0400 do pt, are at their desks by 0600, and don't leave most days until 1900 if they're lucky. I've never heard them complain once about not having time to do something. It's called service for a reason. It requires sacrifice on your part.
- —Guest Boots
Fitness and Readiness?
- OK, I've seen a few posts from members who equate fitness with readiness. To some degree they are right. But I wonder if these same members were there during the gulf war, or if they participated in multiple deployments within climates exceeding 120 degree. I was one of them, and all of us did just fine with the old fitness standards; we were not bogged down with fatigue or heat stress, and we all accomplished the mission; better than today's Airman, I might add. Today's fitness standard is good, and I will not object to it any longer; there are benefits to it. But the agenda has little to do with the mission, and more about MONEY $$$$. Let's be honest here. Getting old members out prior to retirement saves Uncle SAM money. The goal? Certainly not readiness, but AIR CRAFT and equipment. Looks like the PDG's will have to be re-written because equipment, now days, seems to be more important than people. Should we be fat and lazy? No, but not at the cost of losing experience.
- —Guest Joseph
Readiness isn't optional
- To all those folks who think their "job" is maintaining aircraft or some other technical specialty, all I can say is, brother, you are in the wrong business. Whether you're an Airman, a Marine, a Soldier, a Seaman or a Coastie, no matter your rate, MOS or AFSC, your primary job title is "Warfighter". Specialization and division of labor doesn't imply exemption from your primary duty. Bullets, bombs and mortars don't care what branch of service you're in, what your AFSC is, what your ASVAB score is, or how technically proficient you are. When you're forward deployed, you're just another target. If you care about your life, and the life of your buddies, you'd better be ready to fight. If you don't think you can wind up in the sh*t as quickly as any soldier or Marine, you haven't been paying attention to what's happening in the AOR. Physical readiness isn't an inconvenience, it's a basic part of your mission. If you're not commited to the mission, there are plenty of jobs in civilian life
- —Guest AF SSgt
Retire
- I am fat with 27 years in..I retiring bithes so see ya later. Keep running HEHEHEHEHEH
- —Guest Bad dude
no more fat
- High time the AF gets rid of the big waist airmen of all grades. No more airman pulling the tape tight until anyone can pass. I saw a Lt. Col. with a 42 waist make an airman pull the tape down to his so called pants size of 38. Alot of airman think they will pass because I only use a 36 pants, but when measured they can't understand how they are 40 + AC. If you are a fat boy or girl it's time to find a new career, period!
- —Guest i be thin
Can they do it?
- My question is can the ppl who made the new test pass their own test? If not wouldnt that be a double standard? Id like to see them take it and see their score made public.
- —Guest Kayla
