- Wow, listening to some of this makes me laugh! If you cannot handle pt then get out of the military. It's part of the job and ensures that we are fit to fight.
- —Guest Guest(future Airman)
Rank has its privilages
- I agree senior grade officers ahould be held to the same physical standard as an E-1. How ever rank has it privilages. The Air Force has always had double standards.
Tall & Disgruntled
- I've been in 11 years and put E-6 on next month. This PT test is more important than job competency. If the Air Force wants DUMB good looking people then they are reverting the the Marines or Army. We are no longer the Smart Force, we have lost our identity. A tall guy who struggles w/waist measurement.
- —Guest Tall & Disgruntled
Fail rate for Guard and Reserve
- Smart and talented Reserve and Guard members are leaving their service in massive numbers due to the PT program. G/R members have a full time job, family, their military duties. Now the PT programs are getting into family time and cilivian jobs. I work in Human Resources - and my company does great things for our G/R employees. But we do not pay for gym time - we pay gym dues. "If you want to work out go on your own time." is our policy. 98% of our G/R are great workers, all of them have been to Iraq AND Afghanistan several times! Now they are faced with either spending time with their families they have been away from a year+ or spend time in the gym... family wins. I did 27.5 years on AD in AFSOC and we got gym time as part of our duty day - it was great! Now with unemployement at 10% and tight corporate budgets - it is "Thanks for your service but perform on the job or I can find someone else". At my company, many G/Rs are stopping their service for the job that pays the bills
- —Guest G/R Employee
Fit To Fight?
- Why is this the motto but yet the only place/thing you can do in the Air Force is deploy? I say if the failed PT test people are actually in the fight and we are being praised for the job we are doing, does this justify the standards set for members? I have been around long enough to know when they are using things to force shape. Have the brass call this what it is! FORCE SHAPING.
- —Guest Time to go
Brawn over brains
- I have a son who will be taking his 4th test in a few days... he missed the first one by 10 seconds and the third one by 6 sit ups because his butt wiggled more then they liked.... He scored very high on his ASVAB test and qualified for every job the Air Force outside of one but could lose a job he loves so much because his butt wiggled too much for the testors liking. I can see having to be physically fit to be a part of the military but do you want the Air Force to consist of a bunch of meat heads who can do a sit up properly or someone who can guide a fueling hose into a jet while in mid air with concise expertise so that a mission is completed safely. I sit and pray that he gives it his very all and makes it thru... The Air Force really needs to look at the way they are testing... I dont every remember worrying to the point of not sleeping about my PT tests every year with the Navy? Total BS
- —Guest S Knight
the program for the army sucks too!
- I had my son on January 2012 6 weeks early, seven weeks after being diagnosed with Gestational diabetes. All I can say is that the Armys program didn't do anything for me. I was so used to running and working out everyday that going into the program where they do things to such a minimum I felt lazy was ridiculous. I didn't het into the program until 13 weeks of pregnancy and until then I went to unit PT. I didn't lay on my belly by 12 weeks, already sporting a small yet prominent baby bump but I exercised slowly and ran more moderately than I used to. My doctor even said since I was a runner I could run just to jot kill myself. Yet when o tried to exercise how I planned out with my doctor everyone was telling me what I was doing was bad for the baby. I had a terrible labor and delivery resulting in a terrible lactation and 65 hr labor. I was too weak once I went to the postpartum program and just now got back onto a 15:00 run time. Make changes to the program.
- —Guest Sabrina
BACKING MOMS IN AF
- So YES we are in the military and trust me SOME moms like to use the excuse i had a kid and its hard..for me it is hard...i can push out 57 push ups 60 sit ups run an 11 min 1.5 mile run but my waist is between 36-37 sometimes barely 35.5...i get all this done working 16hr shifts at night and coming home to watch my kid not all moms are making excuses sometimes its the truth... i dont blame my failure on being a having a kid but it did affect my waist...and to be honest unless you've had a kid dont comment...
- —Guest mom
Come on guys
- You are part of the United States military. You signed away your right to be lazy and make excuses. Get off your chairs, find some waist trimming workouts and do them. Or if you have some Marines on your base (were all over, especially air winger's like me) go P.T with them. You'll get to standards in no time. Semper Fi
- —Guest Semper Fi Cpl
Pratice PT Tests?
- So our PTL does monthly mock practice PT tests, originally he was going to write up whoever failed and if people kept failing he would bump up the practice PT tests as far as having one every week...I brought to his attention an AFI that stated that mock PT tests cannot have disciplinary consquences if a member fails. Because squadron PT is for flight comradre and to boost morale in the flight. I pass every official PT test given to me, and not with a barely passing score. However due to my carpral tunnel that I've developed I haven't been able to pass my practice PT tests cause I'm trying very hard not to put too much strain on my wrists with all the practice PT tests our PTL makes us do. Himself and my new supervisor have stated that if I fail more practice PT tests regardless if I pass my official ones, the mock failure will reflect on my next EPR. Are they allowed to do that?
- —Guest Confused
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- —Guest OrleneChartier??scheapestmarket
Measure a career
- A career in the military hangs by a waist measurement. I would not encourage anyone to serve for any lenghth of time in the AirForce now. Have to wonder about the true motivation of the standards and it is not respectful of true humans and how @&$ gets done! lacks the bigger picture. everyone will look darn good on the surface though!
Suck it up ladies
- Speaking as a female airman, I think the minimum standards for the female PT test are ridiculously low. We should do away with the female standards and be judged by the men's standard (this is coming from an airman who can score a 90 or above by the men's standard. It's not that hard ladies.) Yes, I know that we women are made to carry more body fat and that we are physically made to have less muscle, but that just means you have to suck it up and work a little harder. An m4 is not going to weigh any less because you have a vagina, airman are not going to bleed more slowly in an emergency situation because the person running towards them has another x chromosome. I'm so sick of hearing females complain 'waaa, I've had a kid so I shouldn't be expected to do my job as well' 'I'll probably never be deployed so there's no reason for me to be in good shape'. This is the military. Air Force or not, we need to be able to do the tasks set before us for the good of the mission. Suck it up.
- —Guest A1C Annoyed
Double standards is the 4th core value
- I have seen a lot of double standards with the new PT test first, i'm not sure what waist measurement has to do with fitness....I have seen some weak airmen that measure 32 inches in the waist and cant do sit ups and push ups to save their life and yet they are passing. I also have been taped by 2 different males at the fitness center and can get a 4 inch variance on the same day....WTF!!!!? I've seen many 0-6's straining buttons on their ABU's to the last thread and amazingly they are not on the chopping block with the fit to fight. If I were in the position of ending someones career 15 months short of receiving retirement benefits, I'd make damn sure I have a legitimate passing Fit test score before I pull my pen out. Integrity First Right?!!?
- —Guest Rigger
One size fits all waist measurement??
- Whats next, same size clothes for everyone now too??? We have a guy in our Squadron that is 6 ft 8 inches tall, our shortest guy is about 5 ft 2 inches tall.....Seems utterly ridiculous that these two Airmen should measure the same at the waist now doesnt it?!!?
- —Guest Sgt Lilly