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The Obama administration has called for a 2.9 percent increase in basic pay (over 2009 basic pay rates) for military members, effective January 1, 2010.

2.9 percent is the minimum President Obama could have requested under current law, as this percentage would match, but not exceed, average private-sector wage growth. Under law, each year ís increase must at least match the private-sector wage growth as measured by the Labor Departmentís Employment Cost Index. However, every year for the past several years, Congress has approved a military pay raise slightly larger than that requested by the President, and 2010 is no exception. Both the House and the Senate have agreed to include a 3.4 percent across-the-board military base pay raise in the 2010 Defense Authorization Act. This makes a 3.4 percent raise (1/2 a percent above President Obama's request) pretty much a sure thing.
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April 21, 2009 at 10:38 am
(1) Melanie says:

This really makes me angry that he would try to enforce such a small pay raise. I have a problem with the fact that he has not served in our military and is now leading our country. My son is in the Air Force, and I think he and any man or woman serving our country should be paid well. This is a job, and a difficult one, and they should be compensated well for their service to our country!

May 18, 2011 at 12:21 pm
(2) Danielle says:

I don’t think they should be paid the way they are being paid. ITs not fair. Look at other militaries and then tell me if your son deserves to be making 45,000 per year with no real skillset, education or other professional attainments. The Italian Army as an E-5 make 1280 euros base pay with no housing allowance allotted to them. Same thing for other militaries. Why should your son or daughter be paid more then a corporate executive when he could be a certified idiot? No offense, I am serving in the military myself, well in the Reserve component and unless you have a son with a Masters degree and special job functions at the officer level, no he surely doesn’t deserve the kind of pay he’s getting.

June 21, 2011 at 6:52 pm
(3) Joy says:

How is that amount not fair? I don’t understand. I know ppl who live on welfare that make as much as my son makes in the marines. He is a PFC right now. Do the math. Figure up how much a civilian would make if they worked 16 hour days, 6 days a week for 13 weeks. And that’s just boot camp. Now factor in an overseas commitment where you don’t get to see your family for 6 mos. to a year and put your very life on the line. Military should be the highest paid of ANY employment. They would actually be paid more if they were paid by the hour. Then subtract from their pay the cost of mandatory hair cuts, supplies, uniforms, etc. that they have to pay for just to perform their duty. I agree with Melanie 100%. Serving a term in the military should be a requirement for the US President, especially because the Pres. is the Commander n Chief!

June 22, 2011 at 4:26 pm
(4) Paul says:

You are a C U Next Tuesday

September 16, 2011 at 1:44 pm
(5) jeremy says:

your an idiot, an e5 in the navy dosent make that much you should check your wimpy reserve les with an active duty les and then compare it to how much gets taken out for taxes LOSER

April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am
(6) Dan says:

I am a soldier and feel that I am well-compensated to do a job I consider it a privilege to do. President Obama’s recommendation is a fair one. I, for one, appreciate a President that is judicious in asking his men to fight only just wars. I’ll take that over a pay hike any day.

April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am
(7) Lauren says:

I have heard him say that he wants to help the military and their families. Well I think this is crap, because he has only done the bare minimum which just so happens to be the requirement as well. People think he is doing all of these great wonderful things, but in actuality he is lying and fooling people. Wake up people!!! Mr President is a LIAR!!!!

February 24, 2011 at 8:07 pm
(8) denise says:

shut up with that ignorance instead of you talking about him keep him in your prayers he is doing the best he can. im glad he is in there instead of bush he was playing golf when 9/11 happened so you wakw up. why dont you run for president since you have a better idea. oh you probley dontg have the brain for it. people dont have nothing better to do than to talk about other people

April 21, 2009 at 11:50 am
(9) ALBERT says:

I think the president has a lot on his plate trying to keep the economy in check with all the auto makers going BK or threatening to. I am a Disabled Veteran 100% and would surely like to have a higher percentage raise but the country comes first and we all have to give a little to get any in the end. Give the man a chance to do his job as hard as it is.

April 21, 2009 at 2:47 pm
(10) John says:

Calm down Lauren, check out the pay raises that Dubya recommended then say something.

April 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm
(11) Jose says:

As an Airman in the world’s greatest Air Force, I must admit that I was a little disappointed to see the present administration only asking for the bare minimum pay raise. I know it’s quite early in his presidency, but I have yet to see any great change that affects me or my loved ones. The President shook Hugo Chavez’s hand- big deal! My brother’s still been in Afghanistan for a year! While I applaud our nation for covering its bases, we should seriously prioritize.

April 21, 2009 at 7:11 pm
(12) SF Retiree says:

Pres. Obama is a Socialist…He’s still campaigning, NOT leading. Wonder if he talks to his wife, family with a Telaprompter! Sad. Do you really think a man who has never served in uniform has a clue about Military life??? Get real, people!

January 25, 2011 at 11:33 am
(13) rose says:

Dear San Francisco Retiree,

I am an educated female who wants to enlist in the Reserves, but I am too old (age 55). Can you think of any options for me? I messed up – I would have signed up in 1988 – when I was 33, but changed my mind, because I would have had to leave California to complete basic training.

Mrs. Regrets

April 21, 2009 at 9:23 pm
(14) Joe says:

Yet another “Obama is a socialist” idiot. It’s unbelievable to me how stupid people can be.

April 21, 2009 at 10:12 pm
(15) Tamara says:

It’s funny to read all the comments and see that women have a problem with the pay and with Obama, and men don’t….hmmmmm whats wrong with this equation?! My husband is currently serving in Iraq, the job he does there in Balad with the military is communications, there are also civilians there with companies doing the same job (just no PT, or putting themselves in harms way) and making _3_times_the amount of money our soldiers [who put their lives on the line daily] are making!! Now how well do you think our soldiers are getting paid?!!

April 21, 2009 at 11:31 pm
(16) Brian says:

Yet another idiot who thinks osama, uhh, obama is so wonderful (Joe was probably a “don’t ask don’t tell discharge”, and is in love). Joe, obama salami alwhajeer is a socialist, wake up and smell the coffee, joe.

April 22, 2009 at 8:11 am
(17) Gary says:

I am a retiree with 2 Son’s serving in the US Army. A 2.9% or 3.4% pay raise is fair when inflation is 0% and hundreds of thousands of Americans are being layed off each month. AS FOR THE COMENT ABOUT DUBYA’S PAY RAISES, DURING HIS FIRST TERM IN ORDER TO RECOVER FROM CLINTONS ANEMIC RAISES FOR 8 YEARS, SOME OF DUBYA’S PAY RAISES WERE AS HIGH AS 10% FOR A FEW YEARS BACK TO BACK BASED ON A SOLDIERS PAY GRADE. I believe that enlisted soldiers are adequately paid considering that most are high school graduates and non college grads. When you throw in the housing allowance(tax free), and meal allowance, as well as medical and dental, and a full 4 year college scholarship, they are well compensated, for no one gets those bennies in the civilian world. So a military recruit may only make slightly above minimum wage, within 6 months they earn their first stripe and with it comes a $150 buck a month raise. Where they go from there and how much they earn is up to them.

April 22, 2009 at 9:08 am
(18) Joe says:

Oh Brian, when will you learn? I guess because Obama has an Arab sounding name that must mean he’s a terrorist and a socialist right? You are obviously the better person for personally attacking me when you have no idea how I got out of the Army or whether or not I am still in. But keep taking the high road and insulting people you don’t even know, and thanks for protecting us all from Socialism.

April 22, 2009 at 5:20 pm
(19) Robert says:

I am in the Active Duty Army and I am OK with Obama’s proposed pay raise. We are in a time when people are lucky if they get to keep their job, much less get a raise. Yes, a military occupation is more dangerous than most other jobs but so is police work, fire fighting, commercial fishing, etc. Most of us have some idea of the possible danger before we sign up.

April 23, 2009 at 12:03 am
(20) Mo-Hacksaw says:

As an active-duty soldier, I am required by honor and law to refrain from any and all traitorous activities or comments against the USA or our commander-in-chief.
Now then, how in hell can the voters of this great nation be so gullible as to succumb to the focus of anti-racism, and in so doing manage to elect someone to the White House who has never served this great nation in any military capacity and doesn’t appear to like or have any pride in our brave men and women who are fighting AND DYING to preserve our freedom and way of life.

April 24, 2009 at 3:51 am
(21) Beka says:

Re: the question of “How can a president who hasn’t SERVED in the military… (insert comment here about being commander-in-chief)”

First of all, I’ll go a head and state that it has nothing to do with the Pay increase and is simply an ad homonym personal attack that is a a fundamental fallacy in critical thinking… but to ANSWER the question… out of the 44 presidents:
-14 have not served at all

Of the 30 who HAVE served:
-none have served since the end of the draft
-6 of them never made it past O/E4 (these are only for the 20Cent. standards of rank)
-8 were in State governed services only (State Militias and Bush Jr’s Tex ANG)
-5 were Federal Reservist only
-only 2 have been a Gen of Army(ies)
- only 1 has been a General

The US has a History of being led mainly by either Military or Legal leadership, So Obama is noting new. Of the “founding fathers” only ONE saw “Action”, and that was Washington, the rest were lawyers by trade.

I am a history major who plans on joining right after graduation in 2010, and I’m glad with so many losing their jobs that the pay increases are still happening, and Private security is (planned on) being phased out.

Remember that although the Pres. has always been the “commander in chief” of the armed forces, having a “Standing army” is a new concept (1950′s and later), otherwise we would still be depending on the draft.

And although this is an open forum, please leave personal attacks towards one another to yourself, and be respectful of one another. This site is a great resource and discouraging remarks to those who have already served is not a good way to reinforce the feelings of those of us who are excited to serve for and along side you. Have a pleasant weekend.

June 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm
(22) Joy says:

Beka, if you’re a history major, what has mankind learned from history? Have there been any changes to our history, or is everything we learned in our history books true? Where do you see our country headed, based on what you’ve learned about history?
Do you believe in the saying “Do as I say, not as I do?” I’m a mother and I happen to know that doesn’t work in discipline. I also don’t appreciate having someone tell me what to do when they don’t have any experience. That’s why I believe that serving in a branch of the military should be a prerequisite for all U.S. presidents. I absolutely believe that ANYONE who has dodged the draft or dishonored our country in any way should not even be considered as our president.

April 24, 2009 at 8:28 am
(23) LJ says:

Im a military wife. I don’t think that the raise is just. That’s a real thanks from Obama, how can he and his wife even state on tv that they are their for military families?? I beleive the service members should be getting a lot more then what they do, they give their lives and the spouses and children give up family life just for this shitty job. Theirs people that have been in here for years and civilian people are collecting just as much in unemployment as those families?? Thankyou Obama for a little pay raise But Im also thanking you for everyone here for your $200 pay CUT in COLA that your enforcing. Thats right civilians you wouldn’t here that on the news. $200 a month taken away starting in August for people stationed here.

April 27, 2009 at 2:48 am
(24) Great American says:

When it comes to spending, obama only does the minimum when the military / defense department is concerned.
I guess it’s more important to obama to bail out failed corporations with greedy CEOs and high paid lobbyists than help our military members

April 27, 2009 at 1:33 pm
(25) John says:

With comments like that, you’re not living up to your name, Great American.

April 28, 2009 at 12:10 am
(26) ssgt ghost says:

what has happened to America. This man is the biggest con in recorded history.

April 28, 2009 at 11:40 am
(27) Real Great American says:

Grow up, ssgt ghost. I hate people like you.

May 3, 2009 at 9:34 am
(28) Josh says:

I do not think that military enlisted personnel are adequately compensated. Reason being is because I know plenty of enlisted men and women with 4-year degrees and some with masters degrees. Just because you are enlisted does not mean that you only have a high-school diploma. Some people like their job and don’t want to change for the money.

May 18, 2011 at 12:25 pm
(29) Danielle says:

That’s their problem then if they aren’t being compensated to what you think they are worth. If they have a BA or MA then they need to find a new job or maybe they got their degree online at a school like AMU or APU and it’s really just a wortheless piece of paper! Enlisted members are paid more then adequately when you consider housing allowance and other perks. They are paid too much! Did you know the housing allowance for my location is 5600 alone! Not considering base pay! I have a BA and I’m an E-5 in the Reserve. All’s I have to do is go on active duty for 2 months and I’ve made more then the average Italian in 1 year!

May 7, 2009 at 2:58 pm
(30) Active Duty says:

Bush and Obama both suggested the bare minimum… Congress has suggested an increase of 2.9 to 3.4% this year, last year they did 3.4 to 3.9%. Look it up. 0.5% increase on the bare minimum the past two years off of the public sector percentage. I suport whatever administration the people elected, and I do so proudly. So, um, yeh go back to school learn a little about Government and Economics, learn how that works a little before you go off on your rants.

Also, read all the comments on here from Active Duty Members and Veterans, who keep saying, “we’re fine with the pay increase”, atleast it’s a pay increase. Supporting our administration is supporting the troops, regardless of who is serving. It’s a democracy, he was elected, thats how it works.

“…In its annual submission to Congress, the Bush administration asked for an across-the-board raise of only 3.4 percent over 2008 basic pay rates. 3.4 percent is the minimum amount that the President could have requested under Federal law. By law, the minimum annual raise in military basic pay is tied to the Department of Laborís Employment Cost Index (ECI) which tracks changes in pay for all state and local government employees, as well as most private-sector workers…”

June 2, 2009 at 12:40 pm
(31) ARMY for life! says:

There are a lot of good points. I think people asking for more money when the economy is where it is now are unreal. Yes this job is dangerous but so is police and all those other professions before mentioned. We have the best benefits in the entire nation. The military is not the place to get rich, if that’s your goal get out and try something else. I have been in the military for years, I know a lot of people that will not make it on the civilian sector. I think the money is more than good, you just have to learn how to make it work, Budget. There are people with three jobs and a few more dependents that don’t have half the benefits or money we have. Be grateful for what you have. People will always want more, it’s on our nature.

About the President. It’ amazing to learn that most of the presidents in the past have not been in the military for real. Be realistic you will prefer a Reservist or a NG soldier in charge?. No offense. But I have not seen anybody in the military including active service that I can consider for President. The leadership in the military is not the Brightest. If you are a service member, you should know that. I do prefer some young smart guy that has work his way up. Donít hate. I may or not agree with some of his decisions but my duty is to support, protect and obey the presidentís authority, we as Americans elected him and thatís how it is at least for the next 4 years.

June 8, 2009 at 2:54 am
(32) SaS says:

I have always found if funny that the people in whos hands we place our lives, are paid less than an entry level federal employee, and barely that of private sector employee for that matter. (Federal employees may about 40,000 entry, and E-3(most of the military) makes about 20,0000). All this while our football and basketball players make millions for running.

June 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm
(33) LT B says:

The beginning of this year has seen a slight deflation in the value of money.† Compare this to the 3 percent or so inflation that most years see, and 2.9 (or 3.4) percent seems like a great deal.† The pay hike is intended to compensate for inflation – if the inflation rate continues like it has for the rest of the year, this might be the most generous pay increase in a long time!

June 19, 2009 at 9:54 pm
(34) RD says:

3.4 pay raise baby… down with Obama!

June 25, 2009 at 7:47 am
(35) jen says:

The comment about do you want a NG or Reservist president just shows that people do not realize the important role both branches play in the Army. NG soldiers are deployed far more now that a past democratic president has cut the Army’s strength, at least with a NG or Reservist President they would have a military background. As far as the pay raise is concerned I am just happy to have on considering bonuses were cut!

June 28, 2009 at 8:04 am
(36) Chris says:

Hey I got a better idea. Why doesnt everyone shut up about the freaking president. Im sick and tired of hearing it. Im an E5 Active duty Army and proudly serve this nation. I joined up for the fight. Not the money. I get payed pretty decent. Ive got a family of 3 and theres plenty to go around to feed the family. Every service member needs to remember what he and she stands for. You stand for that flag. And regardless of if the the president is a moron or the smartest guy or gal on earth, it is our duty and our responsibility to to follow those orders. Every year I hear my wife say, “Hey honey we got a pay raise.” And even though I know we were getting it anyway, Im glad with whatever the outcome is. With the way the economy is, im suprised im getting that much. Everyone needs to remember, thank a vet, thank a service member for the sacrafices he or she brings to the table. And realize, its not the money. Its the pride, the knowledge that your nation is in good hands.

June 29, 2009 at 6:09 am
(37) HEART OF AMERICA says:

PAY RAISE… THEIR IS ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON’T HAVE JOBS AND GO HUNGRY I’M NOT ONE OF THEM AND I THANK THE AIR FORCE FOR THAT ITS UP TO EACH SERVICE MEMBER TO GET MORE EDUCATION FOR A CHANCE TO GET PAID MORE AS A OFFICER STARTING OFF YOU GET BALLPARK OF 65000 DEPENDING HOW MUCH BAH (TAX FREE) ONE GETS SO I THINK IT’S FAIR

June 29, 2009 at 3:39 pm
(38) Dan says:

I am an active duty soldier, have been for 8 years and love my job. You can say we get paid well and all of that jazz however we are not paid enough. we go to war for 12 to 18 months at a time and get the same pay and dont pay taxes on that woopdie doo. pay us more or give us an hourly wadge and make the very long and gruling hours worth something

June 29, 2009 at 4:13 pm
(39) Yolanda says:

Well, as a new recruit coming from one year of college and difficulties finding a job, I’m glad I’m being “hired” by an “employer” who’s recession-proof. You can’t be “layed off” or demoted unless you’re just a reckless individual.

Great American, if you ever listened to Obama in his campaign, you would have heard him say a many times that he will rid Washington of lobbyists. Also, he plans on getting rid of the “middle man” that gets more money from student loans than students do! (from a former college student point-of-view)

I have to say that, right now, with no dependents, I think the military pay and pay raise is great. I agree with a few of the comments mentioned above. Plenty of policeman, firefighters, EMTs, etc. take risks and are in jobs that can take an emotional toll on them just like service members. Hell, even teachers and principals are well underpaid, and they have to put up with a new generation of bad asses every year, deal with crazy parents, and are stressed to spit out a certain number of graduates every year. I doubt that any of the people in these fields receive a payraise nearly as high as 2.9%.

I’m not in service yet, and I’m sure that there is plenty to complain about, but I’d rather be in service in comparison to a many jobs/careers in civilian life.

June 29, 2009 at 4:20 pm
(40) An Airman says:

As a new member to the Air Force SF Im glad to say i work i job i love and have the opportunity to perform in a job many are either afraid or unable to do.We work long hours and away from loved ones,but do i think we should go into a bigger debt to pay MY bills.No of course not.Yes id love to be paid more but in bumpy times id rather just be happy we arent laying off people who have nothing(like me) but this job and the benefits it does have.

I dont think this our president or anyone persons fault its just the situtaion OUR country is in.Im sure if it could be helped we’d all have good paying jobs with all the benefits,but the world isnt perfect so we take what we can get and find the joy in that

June 30, 2009 at 3:12 pm
(41) SrA says:

You know i am very proud to be in the Air Force and i am here to tell you WE GET PAID PLENTY. Yeah the raises are nice but we all know what we sign up for when we sign the line. If you want to complain about your pay now then get out and see how you fair in this crappy economy. Pay for your own healthcare and education. We get FREE medical, dental, education, and housing along with several other benefits. People today dont appreciate hard work, everyone wants the handouts. If you receive any raise at all even if its a 1% raise you should be thankful. Stop looking at what you dont have and what you want and start appreciating the things you do have. Enjoy the small things and praise God that you even have them. My mom is a teacher and she doesnt get yearly pay raises. She has to deal with some of the most undisciplined, rude, stupid little kids and its really come down to her attempting to raise and teach her classes manners because their parents wont. Wheres my moms raise? My mom works harder than MANY active duty members i’ve seen in my 4 years in the air force I’d much rather her get a yearly raise than me.

July 5, 2009 at 12:21 pm
(42) In Iraq Again says:

I have been active Army (enlisted)for 15+ years. I have been to Korea for a year, Bosnia for over 9 months, and I’m on my 3rd tour in Iraq (back to back). I don’t mind having a small raise because at least I’m getting one. Would I like it to be bigger? Sure would, who doesn’t want more money! The Army (and probably the rest of the branches of the service) is not that hard people. I do think that we could probably be paid better while we are deployed to certain areas. I have KBR sitting next to me the chow hall that doesn’t leave the FOB at all and is making probably 3 times what I am making.. Anyway. I think alot of people on here aren’t even talking about the pay raise anymore. they are just using this to attack the President. The pay raise is fine but it would be nice to make more while we are actually deployed.

August 9, 2009 at 3:59 am
(43) SATX says:

No comments! I am proud to be an American and lucky to have a job. We all just need to calm down and wait to see what happens tomorrow. Count your blessings and pray for others. God bless the USA.

August 11, 2009 at 9:10 am
(44) Jaime says:

People will never truly be satisfied! I served my country along with some very brave people. Wether the president served has nothing to do with our pay raise. Regardless of what he does, one must respect his authority and while we are all entitled to our opinion, we cannot pass judgement on somebody who’s beein in office for only seven months.
A 3.4% which is probably what we’ll receive is more than satisfactory. I’m an officer in the AF and with 10 years in service I make about 100K a year including all the benefits I get! Tell me that is not a good pay check. I have civilian friends at a high civilian grade level working in federal positions who, after taxes and deductions for healthcare, etc, make much less than I do. I also was enlisted at one point and my pay as an e-5 was more than enough for me and my family.
I have about 10 friens who had lucrative jobs working in the private sector and now they are all unemployed and the ones that are, don’t have job security. You take this and ponder upon it for a second!!! You military wives have no clue what it is to serve either so chill out and manage your money better. Most of you are fat slobs anyway.

August 11, 2009 at 5:10 pm
(45) SFG LT says:

The question is not about placating pay raises. The question is how many civil liberties are currently being assaulted within the frame work of our country! I took an oath to defend our constitution.. who gives gives two d@mns about pay raises? In the bigger political picture a larger crisis is looming. I love what I do for this nation and the people within it. I would serve this nation for free for that is the true definition of servitude! Suck it up and get past the immediate and pay attention to the future!

August 12, 2009 at 9:16 am
(46) MG says:

No one is ever satisified regardless of who is in office. It’s been like this as long as we have been Americans. I am just glad I have a job. I have been active duty officer for 10 years and 12 as a reservist and I thank God everyday that I make the kind of money I make as a MAJOR on active duty. Give the guy some credit, he has already iniatiated programs we have never had in the past so just be glad that you are alive and healthy. That is the problem with us as Americans, we have no patience. We want things now and that is not going to happen. We need to be patient. It will come. He has the whole country to help not just 1 person. At least he is being honest on what he is doing and he shows that he is being honest; unlike others. I talk to alot of people everyday; military and civilan and they are just glad they have jobs. So get over it Lauren

August 15, 2009 at 12:57 pm
(47) gi joe says:

Most of the people making comments against President Obama would make negative comments even if the pay raise was 10%. Don’t let the fake anger fool you. If you are doing what you are supposed to do in the military you will get an automatic promotion every two years based on the pay scale. On top of that you get an annual promotion (2.9 – 3.5%). And if you are worth your salt you’ll get a promotion in rank when it’s time. In a four year time span that E-3 that you guys feel so sorry for will get 8, count em 8, pay increases. Tell me where in the civilian sector does that Federal employee get 8 pay increases in a 4yr period without going back to school to get a masters degree. Meanwhile the E-3 didn’t have to set another foot in civilian schooling. I started off enlisted and went OCS and became an officer. You’re potential for earnings is totally up to your ambition. I’ve worked with Fed and Civ employees who wish they could move up as fast. AND we’ve not even mentioned health, dental, discounts, and most importantly RESPECT. People are always shaking my hand and offering to buy my purchases to say Thank You.
Don’t forget it was the previous administration and rubber stamp congress who tried to kill the new GI Bill, cut VA funds, ALSO recommended the bare minimum pay increase, had no plan for wounded warriors and when asked about lack of armor for troops said, “You go to war with what you have”.

August 15, 2009 at 7:57 pm
(48) Unhappy Soldier says:

Well it’s simply easier to say “I support the Soldiers” than actually do anything. The requested pay raise isn’t my issue, its the people saying its ok. Really? How much do you make? Now how many nights have you spent away from your family? Yup I thought so, thats one reason most of us are getting out now. The money is going to bail out fat cat buisness men and women while those men and women serving overseas get the minimum. Time to get out and provide a better life for my family. I love my country with all my heart, but my family IS my heart!

August 15, 2009 at 8:00 pm
(49) Still unhappy soldier says:

Hey gi joe how long you been out of the Army? Sorry to say your way out of touch with the current state of the Army. Its all about sucking up and getting promoted so you can make more money now. you don’t go to school or aply yourself because that only works for 1% while sucking up and brownnosing works for the other 99%. The military has gone to shit, poorly staffed with selfish people who only look out for number one, oh yeah and 99% of them copmplain about what award they should have gotten or how they “passed up” for promotion for no reason….

August 16, 2009 at 12:49 pm
(50) The Sarge says:

I’m seein a lot of “WAA WAA WAA” whining here, and quite frankly, I’m ashamed of the so-called “new breed” of personnel within the ranks of the Army from which I retired three years ago. Some of you folks have the spheroids to label yourselves with self-promoting titles as “Great American” when, in reality, your views are neither great nor American. There is a popular song from the sixties, “I Never Promised You A Rose Garden”…your sense of entitlement is entirely opposed to the meaning of this. Is there inequality within our Country…you bet there is! Is this inequality going to cause you to loose heart in the reasons you decided to sign the dotted? I certainly hope not. If you joined thinking you would be enriched on a par with the civilian community, you are the fool of fools. If, on the other hand, you value yourself as a viable part of something larger than self, come on down and do your job with pride.

Sarge

August 16, 2009 at 9:40 pm
(51) jcblafrance says:

All i know is its time for the U.S. to do something we saw it coming and we did nothing to avoid it so everyone stop the bitching and live for what you have and never stop advancing for anybody can take a life but to live a happy one???

August 17, 2009 at 2:53 pm
(52) CA-ARNG Wife says:

I find all the complaining very interesting. My husband and I have each taken a 10% cut in pay in our civilian jobs this year due to the current economy. Any pay raise at all is much appreciated.

August 17, 2009 at 11:03 pm
(53) Proud To Be Blue says:

As a proud member of the United States Air Force, I would still gladly serve if the president stated that there would be no pay raise next year in order to help the economy.
How about this my fellow airmen/soldiers…if you truly NEED a pay raise to keep your morale high… get promoted. Otherwise, serve your country proudly and remember that Oath of Enlistment that you raised your hand to and quoted. That Oath means something, and if it doesn’t mean anything to you, you’re in the wrong line of work.

August 19, 2009 at 11:38 am
(54) Jules says:

I think what seems to be forgotten is that we get money for everything. It’s broken out in your LES’ if you take a good enough look at them. So you must only be looking at your base pay. We get money for housing, for basic living costs, you get COLA if you live in an area that has a high cost of living, FREE dental, medical, education. Not to mention if you have dependents…guess what? You get money for them too! So you know what the rest of that money is for? It’s your spend as I please money. If your bills are more than you make then it’s YOUR FAULT that you spend outside of your means not the President. When you join depending on whether you start out at the very bottom or get a little bit of a bump in rank you get promoted the first few times for doing nothing but showing up for the first few years or so. How do you get promoted on the outside? Hardwork. A little a$$ kissing perhaps. As for deployments… does it suck that we’re away from our loved ones? You bet it is! Is it dangerous out there? Absolutely. Do we get hazard duty pay? If your job permits you to get it. And it’s tax free people. So you come back with a chunk of money. Are you still getting your regular pay? It’s not like they strip that away when you leave. The military gives you opportunities to excel. To promote… to get commissioned…to get a degree to make you more lucrative on the “outside”… speaking of education the new GI Bill can get transferred to your kids/spouses…don’t forget the bennies you get. And most importantly… last time I checked… we VOLUNTEERED. Check yourself people.

August 19, 2009 at 1:16 pm
(55) John Doerksen says:

Anyone who thinks its un-american to speak up against the president is a traitor to everything this country was founded on…….freedom of speech……and I do believe the goverment is FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE…….NOT do what I say or your not american?????? Sounds alot like a dictatorship to me??? And yes I serve in the marines and have taken an oath to protect this country from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC!!! Stand up for YOUR / OUR RIGHTS!!! Quit being a bunch of weak backboned sorry excuse for americans.

August 21, 2009 at 2:02 pm
(56) Trail says:

For those who complain about Obama, I hope you complained about Bush,the man who ran this country in the ground. The state of this poor ass economy is a result if his mishandling power. So dont act like its all on Obama. He’s acquired all of the trouble bush left behind.Bush wore the uniform and ducked the war. Many presidents didnt serve in the service. So hes not the first. Stop Rooting for someones downfall. His downfall is the nations downfall…Hence Gerorge Bush Administration

August 24, 2009 at 2:36 am
(57) piggy says:

its kinda funny how people get on here and talk about oh well soldiers should get paid more and obama needs to do this and it can go on and on but the fact is if your son isnt happy with the money he makes maybe he shouldnt have joined the military.. just saying

August 26, 2009 at 4:41 pm
(58) Mary says:

OMG!! I am so tireed of people talking down on the president. To mehe is doing a good job. He got into office at the wrong time and he is handleing it all too fast. He is taking on to much at one time.As far as the pay raise there are lots of people not even getting one. Lots more getting laid off. Why complain about teh pay raise. It’s enough. The soldiers get basically free medical,and dental coverage. Everyone esle pay for their coverage. The raise is no problem. And the Army is so over strength right now that if I was president I woul only recommend a smal increase also. And think about along with pay increases everything else goes up. So the soldiers or well compensated if you knew what all they get paid. But it’s just not enough for all that they encounter each day. Too much stress.

August 26, 2009 at 4:44 pm
(59) Mary says:

Piggy I agree with you 100%. No one held a gun to their heads and made them sign any of those paper to become a UNITED STATES soldier.

August 31, 2009 at 2:44 pm
(60) Big Sarge says:

melanie and lauren…..the problem is very simple and you said it yourself…..you have family in the military….and you are not there yourself!!! First of all….shut your mouth to a problem that you know absolutely so little about!!! Do you think we go to war and battle for our country for the money? What GunTruck did you fall off of? We go to war for country and family….something you obviously know so little about! We fight for the brother at arms standing beside us….and to keep our country free!
The wage we get is a very solid wage…..we eat for free….we live for free….and we get paid for our family….so….if You these two women….and anyone else want to speak about president Obama’s 3.9 raise for the military….Do say ANYTHING until you have walked and lived in a Soldier’s Shoes!!!

August 31, 2009 at 2:57 pm
(61) Big Sarge says:

mary and piggy…(what a name…piggy) once again…
you two are disgusting……you are right…no one put a gun to our heads….just like no one puts food to your mouth……we became soldiers because of “Duty, Honor, Country!” and with comments like these that you and some of the others have made…..
You know little about Honor!! Its women and people like you that I wish could be on the frontlines to take the bullets for us!!!

September 11, 2009 at 4:37 pm
(62) Sgt P says:

Hold up people, For those of you who are true americans and see our president as a man just wanting to prove a point in american history I thank you. You are what keeps us (the troops) going. For those of you who think this war is not just, you can go to hell. You must have a weak memory of what happened during 9/11. I serve now and have served during that horrible time. I fight for those 3000 people who lost their life. It is a battle that should go on until every last one of those terrorists are six feet under!!!

September 13, 2009 at 3:56 pm
(63) Kristy says:

Personal feelings of the president aside the point of the annual raise for the military is to close the gap between the military and non military. This past year there was a decline in average salary so the fact that there is still a decent increase is a positive thing. I am a military wife so it affects my family and who wouldn’t want more if it was an option but the reality is I think it was more then reasonable.

September 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm
(64) LTC says:

ALCON,
I have seen throughout my years of military experience that the quality of Soldier has diminished. Everyday I see Soldiers texting on their phones, subordinates with bad attitudes, fat and lazy Soldiers, etc. All of you that are crying about a pay raise need to think about how our brothers and sisters were paid in WWII, Korea, Vietnam. The pay we recieve now is astronomical compared to then. The quality of Soldier (with lesser pay) was better than now. Today’s service members do not have a clue on how it “used” to be. Most of today’s generation doesn’t fully understand the selfless service of being a Soldier. Anyone that wants to hammer the President can do so – freedom of speech – but if you are a service member then you should refrain from disrespecting your commander. A pay raise is just that – “A pay raise.” Be happy that you are still alive to recieve that pay raise unlike the real heroes who haven’t because they didn’t make it home. Think before you speak or write. Take time to think about why you serve and what it actually means to wear the uniform.

September 15, 2009 at 11:14 am
(65) anderson,paul says:

I,m 76,I joined the Navy 15 June 1954, I listen to the complaints about pay raises.I was making 0.25 cents per hour.You people want everything and complain because you don’t make as much as Civilians.It’s a volunteer service,if you want more money don’t join the service would be better off without you crybaby’s!

September 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm
(66) The Sarge says:

Anderson, Paul, there’s an ole song about Barnacle Bill the Sailor, so I’ll call you Barnacle Paul! First of all, let me express my admiration toward your era of military service. Following many years of global conflict, all branches of the Military were basically in a “catch my breath” mode; personnel within all branches were, I’m certain, obliged to assume a “let’s get reorganized” posture. You, and the Colonel preceding your comments, seem to be among the few old warriors who understand the true meaning of service. I am quite disappointed that, in recent years, the Services have had to alter the max age of enlistment, for, contrary to previous generations, the young folks of today do not seem to embrace the concept of sacrifice for that which is larger than self. I hope, with all my Army Green Heart, that someday youth will be inspired, by the words of people like you and the Colonel, to step up to the plate and continue the traditions of selfless service to Home and Hearth. Barnacle Paul, Colonel…I salute you!

September 17, 2009 at 3:28 pm
(67) gsmakk says:

First as an enlisted member I will say that compared to officers we are grossly underpaid. Why does a enlisted member E-7 with 18 years in make less than an O-2 with 3 years? Bush was very generous with the pay increases-not every year but overall most years. Even then most enlisted are holding down 2 jobs to make ends meet. Yes things could be worse but when you have been in for 12 years and hold 2-3 degrees why stay in. These are the true leaders who are getting out at 12-16 years because the pay is so low. Officers should get the pay they get-they work hard, but so do many senior enlisted and that is were the pay needs to increase. The top 3 ranks should have a 20% increase in their pay. They earned it and are worth it.
The current administration as most liberals are are not fans of the “evil” military and will not support us and we will have to wait until the next president in any hopes to fixing the pay to at least the private sector.

Second, (We are) to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States.
That is what we said we will do. We have to obey the president not support his agenda that is clearly bordering with socialism and against the constitution. If you do not think his ideas are socialistic then look up the definition of socialism – not on wikipedia but in at least 3 different dictionaries to get a clue.

Research where he came from and what he believes and the ideology of the people he surrounds himself with and who advises him. Never in American history have we ever had such a radical with unconstitutional ideas in that position. Do not go to sleep on this. Be alert and read BOTH sides of the story and see what you come up with

September 18, 2009 at 5:25 am
(68) Drea says:

I am not in the military. I have never been in the military and do not plan on enlisitng. To be honest, it was George W Bush who you can blame for all of the things that are happening now. Barack Obama is simply cleanup on aisle 7! And what better person to use as a scapegoat, an African American male with no prior military service whom proposes radical socialist ideas!? Citizens, lets be real! Education is a socialist idea. Welfare is a socailist idea. Law Enforcement is a socialist idea! All of these things are socialist ideas that just so happened to be rooted in tradition from earlier parts of establishing our nation. So why not medical reform become part of the capitalist nation with socialist ideaology running the main components of the country? Seriously people, wake up and do your homework. Stop being greedy and start taking care of one another. You don’t see Canada and France doing the stupid things America is!

September 22, 2009 at 3:07 am
(69) SSG says:

I understand everyone’s frustration here in regards to the pay increase. I’ve been in the Military for 11 years now and I have to admit, I’d love to get paid more; we all would. However, we can’t be so greedy. Looking at today’s economic conditions and while trying to budget it, why demand for more? An increase is an increase, regardless of the amount. Sure 3.4% sounds terrific but 2.9% is an amount you DIDN’T have the previous year.
In reference to a comment that someone made here: yes, Senior Enlisted members may be underpaid in comparison to Officers and this is why: Officers don’t do nearly half the work that enlisted do (in the majority of cases). For an 16yr Veteran, E-7, to make less money than the 3yr rookie Lt, it’s pretty absurd. Not to mention, the Senior Enlisted TRAIN the Liutenants in their units. Taking orders from an inexperienced individuals, tsk, tsk, tsk. If pay can’t be fixed on that end, fine. At least make it a requirement for Officers to have a 3-5yrs time in service as Enlisted prior to allowing them to become Officers or a deployment…some kind of operational experience with the troops because, no matter how many powerpoint slides they get trained with, they will not learn to make rational decisions until they’ve screwed up quite a few that can cost hundreds of lives.
Finally, I’m always looking for a pay raise. Personally, and thinking about myself and my family only, as if we were the only existing inhabitants in the US today, of course I’d want my 3.4%! BUT, looking past the selfishness and realizing where our economy stands, and knowing that someone is TRYING to make a difference for the better WITHOUT seeking PERSONAL GAIN then, 2.9% increase does not sound bad at all. After all, it is MORE than the previous year.

September 22, 2009 at 3:10 am
(70) Drill SGT D says:

I understand everyone’s frustration here in regards to the pay increase. I’ve been in the Military for 11 years now and I have to admit, I’d love to get paid more; we all would. However, we can’t be so greedy. Looking at today’s economic conditions and while trying to budget it, why demand for more? An increase is an increase, regardless of the amount. Sure 3.4% sounds terrific but 2.9% is an amount you DIDN’T have the previous year.
In reference to a comment that someone made here: yes, Senior Enlisted members may be underpaid in comparison to Officers and this is why: Officers don’t do nearly half the work that enlisted do (in the majority of cases). For an 16yr Veteran, E-7, to make less money than the 3yr rookie Lt, it’s pretty absurd. Not to mention, the Senior Enlisted TRAIN the Liutenants in their units. Taking orders from an inexperienced individuals, tsk, tsk, tsk. If pay can’t be fixed on that end, fine. At least make it a requirement for Officers to have a 3-5yrs time in service as Enlisted prior to allowing them to become Officers or a deployment…some kind of operational experience with the troops because, no matter how many powerpoint slides they get trained with, they will not learn to make rational decisions until they’ve screwed up quite a few that can cost hundreds of lives.
Finally, I’m always looking for a pay raise. Personally, and thinking about myself and my family only, as if we were the only existing inhabitants in the US today, of course I’d want my 3.4%! BUT, looking past the selfishness and realizing where our economy stands, and knowing that someone is TRYING to make a difference for the better WITHOUT seeking PERSONAL GAIN then, 2.9% increase does not sound bad at all. After all, it is MORE than the previous year.

September 22, 2009 at 3:18 am
(71) DS D (SSG) says:

Wow, how selfish can you be? Do you ever take the time to realize how many people are currently unemployed due to today’s economy and people here are complaining about a 2.9% increase? Get real! 2.9% is 2.9% MORE than you were making last year!
And, what does it matter whether the President was or wasn’t in the Military, huh? Instead, doesn’t it matter to you that Officers with less than 3yrs in service and no clue on Soldiering get paid more than an E-7 with a College degree and 16yrs of service? How about the quality of Soldiers today? Stress cards??? Lack of discipline? The constant breast feeding of Soldiers as an attempt to keep them in boots??
Be thankful for what you have. At least you GET paid and you HAVE a job in today’s BROKEN ECONOMY! Have a great day and eat some smarties from your local grocery store. They help.

September 22, 2009 at 3:21 am
(72) Towsend, Josh says:

To Doerksen: Get a life!

September 23, 2009 at 10:07 pm
(73) Kristina says:

As a veteran and a military spouse, it makes me sick to realize how very little our soldiers are paid. Have you ever talked to a contractor for the DOD? They often make double what our men and women in the armed forces make and they are better protected.

September 23, 2009 at 10:15 pm
(74) Kristina says:

oh and Drea, don’t compare the United States to Canada and France… they suck!

September 25, 2009 at 7:35 am
(75) Sandra says:

I am a soldier and have been for 22 years. Our pay raise is just about guaranteed yearly, no matter how much it is. You have to be an absolute slacker not to keep your job. My question is this-did you join the military of your own free will? If the answer is yes then you have a choice. You can do your time, get out and join the ranks of the unemployed while you wait for society to give you a hand out.

September 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm
(76) Brent says:

I have an idea! Let’s funnel the money that was earmarked for ACORN to use to subsidize the forming of brothels into an increase in the military pay raise.
See-everyone wins. Less brothels and yet we are not taking money away from a hurting economy-at least not money we will miss.
Incidentally, take a look at the stimulus. If you took out all the ridiculous crap in it, you could probably aford a HUGE pay raise “in this economy”. But does congress even read this stuff?

September 27, 2009 at 4:08 am
(77) Shannon says:

I’ve saved in excess of 80k sitting here in Iraq while the stock market also goes up on top of my paycheck. I think this President, considering the circumstances he took over, has done an outstanding job.

I am one of the odd ones who think we are overcompensated when there are too many who do not have money or jobs at all. I also applaud the military for starting to take the initiative in getting rid of the “leaches” we currently have in the armed services…some of whom are undoubtably posting above about not getting paid enough when they decide to buy corvettes and large SUV’s post deployment and cannot afford the upkeep.

I am doing this for my country and do not care how much I am paid. The paycheck is a benefit and be happy you have a freaking job at the moment…

September 28, 2009 at 4:42 pm
(78) bill says:

i do not have a problem with what we get paid. it is a lot better then what i was getting befor i joined 3 years ago. all of you guys complaining should sit down and do the math on everything you would have to pay for and what you would have coming in. do it for both civilian jobs and if you stayed in and do not forget 30 days a year vacation. then compare i think most of you would find that you are better off in.

sure there will be some that would get paid better on the outside. sure it sucks to be over in the sand and nobody should ever count the little bit of pay increase and not having to pay raxes while your over there. when i deployed they told me it would baround 1,000 dollers a month. it was not but even if it was that is not enough for me to leave my family and not see them at all even if not working .

sorry got to go now getting a lttle upset.

for the guy that thinks we are paid to much you could always donate your money to army emegency relief they are realy good at helping soldiers in need.

September 29, 2009 at 2:49 pm
(79) william says:

funny how some spouses stay home complaining about their husbands pay while all they do is sitting at home eating twinkies all day. If his pay is not enough find a job and help your man. is sad to see some of my soldiers coming back home with a negative balance on their account after being deployed for a year or longer.

September 29, 2009 at 5:36 pm
(80) Ralph says:

amen william!

September 30, 2009 at 10:33 am
(81) Eric says:

Anybody who thinks that 2.9% is adequate doesn’t understand that Obama picked the lowest percentage by law. He might as well not even picked a percentage and let the law take over. It’s a good thing that it’s up to Congress to choose military pay and not Obama, we have better chances now. Obama is a celebrity, not a president. This is just an opinion. He might be helping you out plenty, but as for me, mostly bad news. Guess you need to look at it in someone elses shoes. Better than Bush, but far from great.

September 30, 2009 at 4:33 pm
(82) JTCMART says:

I am appalled at the number of liberals who keep saying, this is a democracy and you need to support the policies of the elected leaders. You guys are the biggest bunch of hypocrites that there is. You are the same bozos who didn’t support any of the previous administrations policies. I am Active Duty military and though I am glad to have a pay raise, how many of you civilian sector people have had to deploy to a hostile country for 3 out of the last 5 years and had to suffer from being away from your loved ones that long. Isn’t that worth a bit more than 3.4% increases. You can comment on how we all have to give a little when you have spent 3 out of the last 5 years missing your family and being shot at all for “average” pay.

September 30, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(83) jtcmart says:

Shannon, you obviously have no one at home you care about. But some of us do and we think that the sacrifices we are making should no be taken for granted. Some of us can’t pocket $80K while over there because we have spouses and children and mortgages. You spoke like they typical 18 year old Private who has no clue what the real world is. There are people over here who are making 4 times the money I am and doing the exact same job (only without the bullets). Grow up!!!

October 2, 2009 at 9:20 am
(84) Ecce says:

Amen, SrA

October 3, 2009 at 12:30 am
(85) Z says:

SGT,

You got it. If you don’t like the pay get the f out and get a job that pays more. I’m sick of the whining I hear every day. Soldiers here deployed to Iraq are well compensated as am I for my 14 years of enlisted/officer service. The quality of soldier has dropped, but that will change now that the Army can be a bit more ďselectiveĒ. Some come home from Iraq with 60k saved in the bank account, but others with awful spending habits leave in more debt. More than likely the whiners are the ones who are anti-frugal and cannot control their spending.

Be happy to have a job. The lowest pay raise I have had in my 14 years of service was a couple of years ago during the Bush administration. Politics aside all of the pay raises did not bother me and I for one am happy for the 3.4% proposal recently put out…I never complain. I am thankful to work for my country and have a job at the moment.

Z

October 4, 2009 at 11:47 pm
(86) Navy says:

Everyone is talking about it not being enough to compensate for being away from family. I can say for myself no amount of money could compensate for that. However, it seems that everyone is also forgetting that this annual increase in pay was never intended to be raise at all, it is simply to compensate for inflation (which did not even occur this year so it is not outrageous to have even the 2.9%, as it really should be 0 except that law dictates it happens every year). If you want a raise do your job, do it better than everyone else, and wait for promotion.

October 5, 2009 at 5:11 pm
(87) MSG says:

To all of you undercover racist, The great thing about America is everybody has an opinion.I think a man who was elected by the majority not the state of FLORIDA.Has to take all of this countries issues into account not just our needs in the military. A raise is a raise and I think it’s better then nothing.For those of you who calls him a con, please.
The last adminstration should us just how powerful goverment is and most of you said nothing.And look at the trouble we are in.This Nation is not going down the drain because of so call liberals it headed that way because the average Joe would rather follow a good ole boy.”And say nothing”

October 7, 2009 at 10:22 am
(88) USAF time says:

Yes!!! I am happy about the 2.9% raise. I am in the NG and have had a hell of a time trying to find a job with a bachelors degree and a masters degree. I was granted the oppurtunity to recieve orders to work with the military recieving E-5 pay for the next 3 years. I am not complaining at all. For all you active duty members that are complaining about the raise, you will never know how it is to struggle not having a job at all, b/c you will always recieve a pay check on the 1 and 15 of every month. There are millions of Americans out there who have worked hard, went to school and have to settle for jobs paying only 25,000-35,000 or not having a job at all. Not saying that you guys shouldn’t be paid more for what you do, I agree. Just be thankful that you do have a job and that you don’t have to worry about being laid off or having a pay cut. There are millions of people that have been laid off due to this economy so please I am just asking you guys to be thankful!!!!

October 8, 2009 at 3:03 am
(89) mike says:

I find it incredibly interesting at how everyone complains about Obama’s planned pay raise for the military. All the president can do on anything is recommend/propose, and Congress then decides to ratify it. He recommended 2.9, Cogress selected 3.4. The president, is a scapegoat, nothing more. If you don’t like the way something is being done, write your Congressman/woman. If that doesn’t work, VOTE!!

October 8, 2009 at 8:49 am
(90) shannon says:

melanie- who the hell cares if he hasnt served in the military? Do you not read the news? Last year Bush didn’t want to give the military a 2.6% raise he said they didn’t deserve that much and low and behold that village idiot had served in the military. There are ppl losing their jobs left and right we are paying out the A** for the war in Iraq I am thankful that my husband is getting a raise! If you want to make a big deal of something why not challenge the fact that ppl can sit behind a computer and make $200,000+ a year and my husband doesn’t even clear $75,000 and he fights for your freedom!

October 10, 2009 at 12:53 pm
(91) Kevin says:

Anyone making a comment against receiving a pay raise, because they think it is a fair call on Obama, is OUT OF THEIR MINDS. Barack Obama Hussein is a liar and a rapist of American values, because of HIM, America will never be right again! He has no home and America is just a stepping stone for him to become a world leader. Mark my words!

October 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm
(92) retired 2003 says:

Be happy you’re getting something. If you complete 20+ years and retire from the military, you’ll have plenty of time to be totally forgotten about. 2010 retired COLA -0%, projected 2011 retired COLA -0% yet bills and expenses still go up. I know few think about it now, but your time will come. So be grateful now before your voice falls on deaf ears.

As for a big raise, your Commander in Chief has big plans for that money. There’s that 5% raise for Congress (poor congress) and plenty of people that don’t want to buy health care (including illegals) to buy it for them. On top of that you must spread some pork around… don’t you know an election is coming next year? Yes you’ll have plenty of time to get less and pay more.

October 12, 2009 at 8:17 am
(93) Deployed Mom says:

To say that I am sick to death of people to use any excuse to complain about the President would be the understatement of the year.

I am a woman and a soldier, who is currently deployed to Afghanistan. I cannot believe the selfishness and arrogance of so many people on here. This is my fourth deployment and fifth time overseas in my 8 years in. I am tired and I am worn out by the deployments and yet, even though my time has been up for a while now, I have stayed. I stay because I see too many people who are content with mediocrity and expect to be rewarded for it. I have no issues with President Obama asking for only a 2.9% pay increase. Our economy is in the toilet and the causes far predate President Obama’s election.

To put the money issue into perspective, I will start off by saying that yes there are contractors out here that make plenty more than I do (and manage to complain about it too), but there is no way you can get an average citizen to come out here and work without those financial incentives. That is reality. The reason those civilians are here are so we require fewer soldiers to allow them to have breaks between deployments. There are far fewer civilians than military, so if you believe the solution is to pay the military what you pay the contractors, realize that increasing our pay like that would drive this country far deeper into recession and it wouldn’t eliminate the civilian positions over here.

There are numerous benefits that are not being factored in. If you want to gripe about base pay, how about we take away all of the freebies that the Army gives you and only pay you your base pay.

You can start paying health care premiums (averaging 600 or so for a family of four per month) and non-discounted dental premiums (another $100 or so per month). You could also pay your rent and utilities out of your base pay ($1000+ per month). You can foot your entire grocery bill instead of having it partially subsidized (BAS ~$250 per month). You could also save enough money in a retirement account to match your pension that you will be entitled to after serving 20 years in the military. That would depend on your current age, but suffice to say at least $500 a month would be required for an 18 year old private who may retire as an E-7 after 20 years. Even at $500 per month, that would require the market to do very well during those entire 20 years. So total up the benefits and you have at least $2350 in additional free money every month.

Then you have to factor in the Post-9/11 GI Bill, available to everyone on active duty right now, without having to pay into it. That gives you four years of a free education, plus books and living expenses. It is an unbelievable deal and if you look at the most expensive state school, it is worth up to $302,334 (Utah). That is a ridiculous scholarship, which is difficult to match anywhere. If you feel you don’t make enough in the Army, take a few years off and go back to school for free using the benefits that you have already earned.

Yes it is hard to be away from your family and it would be nice to be paid more, but you don’t come into the Army for the pay. It takes a special breed of person to sign up for a job that doesn’t pay overtime, but demands lots of your time and sacrifice. Selfless service is one of the seven Army values for a reason.

At a time when the national unemployment rate is 9.5% and I watch my civilian counterparts struggle, I am not so greedy as to want a huge raise. I am grateful that I have a job and that I don’t have to make a choice between medicine and food or rent and a car payment. These are all real life choices that people are making everyday.

The difference between a 2.9% and 3.4% raise amounts to a difference of $7.20(E1)-78.21(O10) per month before taxes. After taxes, that will be closer to $5.76-62.57. So is it really worth all the fussing and fighting?

October 14, 2009 at 5:26 pm
(94) The Sarge says:

Good for you, Deployed Mom. With no disrespect to today’s fighting force, this Old Army NCO has often viewed many of these comments as those of weenies, people who, in spite of the responsibilities cast upon them, still require that “psychological burping” as it were. One of the best parts of my post-retirement job is the frequent travel, and the subsequent visits to many USOs throughout this Country’s network of aerodromes. These visits provide me with the opportunity of talking with service members over a cup of coffee; some discussions are somewhat superficial, while others sometimes venture into “Soldier stuff”, and for just a short while, I feel like an NCO again. You know something, Mom (and maybe it’s the rose-colored lens effect), today’s young warriors are far more mature than their counterparts of my generation, and are far more aware of their collective missions. While the younger generation has often been (perhaps rightfully so) labeled as a “gimme” generation, I can honestly say that, for the most part, the uniform has served to mature these young folks (perhaps more than they need to be at this point in their lives).

Mom, I wish you and your fellow Soldiers a safe tour and a warm welcome back to your families. Godspeed!

Sarge

October 15, 2009 at 5:57 pm
(95) Sarge (again) says:

Shannon (67): You stand in stark contrast to what seems to be the prevailing notion that “someone else, other than yours truly, is completely responsible for me”…GOOD FOR YOU! While the many look to “enhanced paychecks” as the only means of gaining monetary reward, you, in taking command of your fiscal destiny, have set the example. Even in the rotten economy, there is opportunity to capitalize. All that’s required is a little gumption…you have demonstrated that it can be done.
Godspeed, Shannon!

Sarge

October 16, 2009 at 5:29 am
(96) Jim says:

Just another great example of someone who says they support the military but can’t show it through actions.

Maybe people should have voted on the issues and not just on party/race/gender/demeanor.

October 17, 2009 at 11:04 pm
(97) AZAN (AW) WHERE says:

I am active duty Navy and have been so for the last 2 yrs. I am 28 years old and have only a highschool diploma. However I have done well with the time I’ve had as a civillian. For eight years before serving I have been in upper management making over six figures. I joined because my wife and I have two sets of twins. We own a house and the company I worked for had layed off over 10,000 people in the neighboring region and I knew what was coming next. I took close to a 100,000 dollar annual pay cut and joined the military for the benefits and the stability it provides. I would rather make 45,000 and have a job than be layed off have a mingy 50,000 severance pay then have to look for a job. Virtually from SCRATCH. Being that I have no Degree in todays society, though I have expertise and experience in the field I was in, it would be quite hard for me to get a job paying anything comparable. So I decided to join the Navy. There are all sorts of fringe benefits and allowances civillians dont take into account, when it comes to military pay. Basic allowance for housing, averaging throughout the nation at $750 in addition to basic pay, COLA which is cost of living allowance which varies greatly from situation and location. Along with Combat pay, hazardous duty pay, flight deck pay, tax free when overseas. Some of you really have no idea how lucrative and beneficial the military can be. Though I had to adjust my spending allowance and more, my family is still living comfortably, we are still saving and life is still going according to plan.

I feel the proposed pay increase and the probable would both definitely be appropiate when the current state of the economy is taken into account, along with the benefits (we) in the military enjoy. OUR President has many issues to address and though I may not agree with everything he says or does. I will definitely say that I do support our Democracy and that though the face of democracy may be changing. I hope the foundation our founding father’s have laid for us to build upon is not further disturbed. So much goes on in politics most of us are EXTREMELY ignorant to. Lets study for ourselves, not through other peoples views on the news. Everything you hear or see on the news is not as it seems. If you don’t believe me do your own research and see for yourself. Don’t take my word for it. Come to your own educated and well deducted conclusion.

October 18, 2009 at 11:19 pm
(98) Dan says:

Did anyone see the fine print when they signed up for the military? The one that says each year you will have a pay increase and that your doing your MOS for the money and not the nation. Oh wait thats right I didnt see it either. Maybe its because we are doing out MOS’s for honor to our nation. People this is a volunteer job, if you dont like it… get out the military. Everyday I go to work and wear the uniform with pride. I serve in a special forces unit and trust me, ive been deployed more times that I can count fingers and toes. All and all I know I am making a difference and it shouldnt matter if its a 2.9 or a 3.4% raise. You could get out and get those hot fries out the fryer while working at mcdonalds…or not have a job at all. Military isnt all about the pay, the benefits on top blow that 2.9% increase away from any other job out there. My parents worked for 33 years at a manufacturing plant and they let them go last week. Like I said, no one twisted your arms to join whatever branch you decided to join.

October 19, 2009 at 12:37 pm
(99) Melissa says:

A lot of you all are condemning President Obama for only asking for the minimum amount of pay raise that Congress can approve for the military. And, indeed, on the outside, it looks bad. But did any of you check past requests to see if what Obama has done matches up with what’s customary?

In 2008, the Bush administration did the exact same thing – they asked for a 3.4% pay raise, which is the minimum amount they could’ve asked for in that year. In 2007, they asked for a 3.0% raise, again the minimum, and Congress upped it.

Obama isn’t doing the military wrong or really much differently than any of the past Presidents have, including Bush who DID serve in the military.

As for those of you calling Obama a socialist, visit your local or base library and check out a couple of books on socialism to find out what it actually is. Obama is not a socialist nor does he have the power to single-handedly turn our country into a socialist state.

June 30, 2011 at 12:44 pm
(100) Joy says:

We’ll see what you think of him when you’re paying $20 per light bulb, and your electric bill “necessarily skyrockets”.

October 19, 2009 at 6:45 pm
(101) Mike says:

The mistake that has been made is letting ourselves be led by a Negro, with a Moslem name, good greef, the dust barely settled from 9-11 and we do such a thing. He should not be allowed to lead anyone, let alone our fighting troops in harms way.

October 19, 2009 at 10:23 pm
(102) AZAN (AW) WHERE says:

Hey Mike…I believe You are an idiot and a racist…matter of fact an ignorant idiot racist.. First off, what is a negro. Is’nt that a watered down name for NI%%er? Oh, I see… So yeah “Negroes” are an inhuman race on the earth who have done nothing and should still be enslaved, right..I’m sure you’d agree with that. I truly feel sorry for ignorant, culturally deprived degenerate trash like you. You probably feel like your not racist because you have a few “NEGRO” friends, am I on the right trail here? Yeah, but none of them have any moslem names right. So President George H.W Bush was better not because he was smart or because he did well with and for the country, but because he was not a Negro with a Moslem name. I got you…Question have you ever heard of the NORTH AMERICAN UNION? Look it up, because it’s something that great white non moslem name put into effect. So it must be great for the country right. WRONG..I’ll let you research that on your own. I’d like you and any other racist to think about this.

Generally the people who truly are influential in this country only care about their own kind…Not White, Not Black, or any other race for that matter, Rich people. The top 5% of earners in this country. They care about passing laws that will benefit their businesses. They are generally connected in investments and could care less about any other color than green. It’s about class and priveledge, not color and racism. Finally the majority of the people in the country have grown enough out of the racist mentality that is used to keep us divided and not united. So that We as a people are too weak to make any real change in the country. It’s time you and the other racist out there realize these things. Do some research, I know it’s not in the traditional history books, but the internet is a powerful tool. Blacks and whites have equally contributed to this country in so many ways, both negative and positive. It might be time for you to learn how to read and do some research on things and come to a more educated conclusion than well “we are sucking because the president is a NEGRO…That’s just dumb. He has quite a mess to clean up left by the Bush’s from senior all the way down to H.W. He’s dealing with a lot of pressure right onw and is apparantly handling it well, with the most recent reports being that the economy is apparantly improving. LOOK LIKE DA NEGRO WIT DA MOSLEM NAMES MAY HAVE SUM SCHMARTS…

October 20, 2009 at 9:43 am
(103) TSgt says:

Most people don’t realise how much we’re actually getting paid in the military, and how much you have to make on the ‘outside’ to match it. I always made the same gripes and complaints about how much more money there was to be had in the civilian sector, until I was a 6-year E5 looking at seperating. I was stunned to see that I’d have to make over $20 an hour just to match my take home pay, in an area with relatively low housing allowance. If I wanted to pay for my health care, dental, and life insurance, while maintaining my take-home pay, all of a sudden I needed in excess of $25 an hour. Now, as an 8-year E6 with a flying job, I would need well over $30 an hour to match what I have now. Should I make the transition to a lowly O1, it goes even higher.
Will the average military member get rich and gross over $250K a year? No. But, when the vast majority of American individuals make less than $40K ($19 and change an hr) per year, we in the military do very well. I can’t think of many other jobs that will pay an 18 year old straight out of high school roughly the equivilient of $15 an hour (or higher) without a great deal of luck. Add in 30 days of paid vacation per year (how many civilians do you know who even get more than two weeks, and then only after several years of employment?), and you are doing even better.
Yes, we face unusual and difficult circumstances, and most of our jobs are significantly more risky than many in the civilian sector. But when you consider than until 2001/2002 the VAST majority of the military had not faced combat threats in over 10 years, and then close to 20 years before that, it is hard to claim that we’re in a constantly dangerous profession. Even now, the bulk of our Air Force and Navy jobs are not in harms way, even when they deploy to the combat zone.
So, yes Mr President, I’d love more than 2.9 to 3.4% every year. But, when I’m already making over 30% more than most of my non-military friends, 3.4% is certainly acceptable.

October 20, 2009 at 3:29 pm
(104) SGT Mo' says:

I’ve spent 7 years in the Marines, and the past year in the army. Two tours in Iraq spent working side by side with non-combatant civilians who’re mmaking double or triple what I am, without ever having to be in harms way. I’ll tell you right off the bat that military members dont get paid NEARLY what we deserve. Is it decent money? Sure! But when you consider a boot camp recruit is making minimum wage while a police cadet is making nearly 50,000 a year (here in Las Vegas) is absurd. There’s no comparison between patrolling the suburbs in a black and white air conditioned Crown Victoria, versus walking the streets of Habaniyah or being a sitting duck in a convoy, waiting for some jerk to take a crack at you with an RPG. Somewhere down the line, priorities have changed when a cop will easily make triple what a soldier makes with the same experience.

That being said, everyone who’s bashing the present obviously werent serving in Iraq when Bush and Cheney were running the show. It’s kinda sad when you walk around a combat base 30 miles outside of Baghdad and there are signs everywhere, from the Port-a-Johns to the chowhall, with lines like “Halliburton loves you”, or “Halliburton thanks you for your service”. We started this war over money, and 7 years later, we’re even broker than before. THAT’s why the raise is so low. Bush broke our collective wallet, people! Want an example? Every active (or activated) servicemember gets a 400,000 life insurance policy. We’re sitting at over 6,000 dead. Thats 2.4 Billion taxpayer dollars on just lost manpower, not to mention equipment, transportation. The cost of sustaining unnecessary wars on two fronts is ridiculous. Obama is just trying to pick up the pieces. It’s our duty to serve, regardless of the raise, and we do it year after year, but our crappy pay is the result of past presidents not giving a damn.

October 20, 2009 at 7:52 pm
(105) The Sarge says:

SGT Mo, always remember…ONCE A MARINE ALWAYS A MARINE! Not too many self-respecting Marines (is that a contradiction in terms?) would openly admit to transfering over to the Army Grizzly Green…on purpose much less. All seriousness aside…you make some excellent points; I, to, had to deal with those “dirty civilians” in DCUs while in the sand pile.

The one thing which stands out in your comments is the fact that, following your elaborate descriptions
on some of the “injustices” posed by pay disparity, you wrap up with (and I paraphrase) “nonetheless, let’s get on with it and do the mission”! The example you no doubt set in your display of dogged self-determination will be more-than-welcomed throughout the Green Machine. Godspeed, SGT Mo.

Sarge

October 22, 2009 at 1:46 am
(106) Heather says:

My husband is in the army and obviosly it’s hard on our family and they by far work much harder than most civilians but I feel we are adequately taken care of. Pay may not be great but we also have BAH, BAS, wonderful medical, school assistance even for spouses along with the other entitlements, and a steady stable income that’s not in jeopardy when the economy takes a hit. Better than most civilian jobs can offer. So for the mother who is speaking on behalf of her son and whoever else thinks this is bs; maybe he or she picked the wrong career. It’s not for everyone but never go in blindly. My husband loves serving his country and feels safe knowing his family is always taken care of. If we are getting a 1% deduction from our last increase, oh well… At least there not laying off!!! I think it’s very reasonable and he’s being cautious on making sure he doesn’t put us in a worst position than we are all already in. Btw everyone who joins the military for the right reasons didn’t join for the money and knew what they were signing up for if they did their homework! Sorry if this offends you, but unless you are an immediate military service member or spouse, I don’t exactly see why you are posting negatively.

October 22, 2009 at 7:14 am
(107) Ramon says:

A raise is a raise, I have been in for 18 years. I quickly we forget that this president is one of the many who got us the New G.I. Bill, that I love. I rather have that than the raised any day. Instead of complaining, educate your self.

October 22, 2009 at 8:49 am
(108) Sue says:

I would think most people would support the pay increase. I too cannot beleive the President is not in full support of this increase or a larger one? Is he aware how much support citizens provide our troops with care packages, providing supplies the military should be furnishing giving our current war status.( baby wipes, batteries, food, eating utensils) Come Mr. President take a few less trips with the familiy and give those funds to the troops. Imagine your daughters sleeping on the ground with no shower for a week or more. Walk a mile in the shoes of those below you. That is the sign of a great leader.

October 22, 2009 at 9:35 am
(109) Mike says:

The pay raise is adequate, and I am thankful for it. It is unfortunate that V.A. funding is unadequate; too quickly we forget those no longer on the trail.

October 22, 2009 at 1:03 pm
(110) ABNRGRSGM says:

ALCON,
Normaly I don’t feel the need to justify my position but it seems to be the norm on this site. I have 19 years of service in the U.S Army. I have earned the rank of Sergeant Major because I have remembered since day 1 that I joined to serve my country not myself. With that said I fall somewhere in the middle when it comes to the comments left by others. While I have always felt that I made good money I do take exception to the fact that (all) politcians seem to talk out of the side of their necks when it comes to the military. They say one thing then do another. So if you want to give us the 2.9 fine just come out and say it. Tell the world why you think we deserve the 2.9%. But we all know that won’t happen. Partly because it sounds bad but mostly because a bunch of ill informed people will use us as a rally cry to beat up the POTUS. Do I think I earned a 2.9% pay raise this year while serving in Iraq(my fourth). YES I DO! As for all those that believe that I should be happy with whatever I get because I am serving a higher calling, I ask you. Will you put my two kids through school? I love my job and I love my Country. Disagreement is not disrespect.

October 22, 2009 at 2:24 pm
(111) Robert B says:

#7 & #8 If Obama is not a socialist than he lied about that too……..He has decribed himself as such. This is good ole Illinois history..You need to read what his history is pal before criticising others. Are you ashamed of socialists.

October 22, 2009 at 2:45 pm
(112) Jennifer says:

Okay everyone I’ll tell you right up front right now that I have never served in the military even though I received an almost perfect score on the ASVAB and was going to be a Coast Guard Rescue swimmer which I still intended on accomplishing. And even though Obama is giving our troops a minimum pay raise, the military is well compensated by our tax payers and our country for any military weapons that are needed money for tanks, intelligence, food, travel ect. Not to mention you get federal benefits, a sign on bonus depending on how high you score on the test, military pay for your job, life insurance which 60% of American’s do not have and anyone in the military I’m pretty sure thought about their decision for a while and looked into what they wanted to do as well. Which I have to admit the military would be easier for me to make money than trying to find a regular job with the same pay. What about the workers here right now who are losing their houses and healthcare because the country is so much in debt. The number one reason why people are losing their homes are because they cannot afford to pay their medical bills. I am sorry but we have much bigger problems to worry about than the basic pay that the troops are receiving for their duties. And don’t get me wrong my family is very military oriented I have a lot of friends in the military as well. But I know that we could also benefit from saving money on a war that shouldn’t have been started by Bush in the first place. Obama is new into office we can’t just expect him to jump in and make things better in a couple of months that’s not how things work, they need time. He has a real burden to take care of that Bush left behind. I mean how does President Bill Clinton get our country completely out of debt when he was in office and then the whole country is billions of dollars in debt after Bush left what questions we should be asking is was there any unnecessary spending when Bush was in office and if there was where did the money go?

October 22, 2009 at 5:16 pm
(113) AJ says:

I think everyone thats not a service member and complaining about our raise should give us the differnce out there pocket since they make it sound so easy to just throw money around an suppose these freaking wars an such right????

October 22, 2009 at 7:04 pm
(114) Cam says:

Im in the army about to deploy- and in my opinion the pay raise is pretty fair. Soldiers get many benefits other than a garunteed paycheck- medical, dental etc. We also understand how other people such as civilians know what kind of stress we’re under, and the recognition for serving the country is a reward in itself, and we very much appreciate the support!

October 22, 2009 at 8:41 pm
(115) Ret Marine of two wars. says:

Just one word. realy not on the above subject.
But in my opinion, the worst thing that this country did was doing away with the mil. draft.

Ww have millions of Leagal, unlegals and inmigrants
that live here that will never fight for this County if not made too.

Top/USMC/Ret

October 22, 2009 at 8:44 pm
(116) Mike says:

I am currently serving in the U.S. Army. I am only an E-4. I just bought a new house and a new truck. The Army has paid my tutition for 3 years of college. I have not even touched my 36 month of benefits from the GI bill that not only covers tution, but it provides you with a annual book allowance and monthly housing allowance at the rate of E5 with dependents. Sure I would love more money and a bigger raise but lets get real, I consider it fortunate that we are getting a raise while the rest of America is getting laid off.

October 23, 2009 at 1:30 am
(117) justin says:

i just have to say that the man is doing all he can to help us. with the way things are now-a-days we all should be happy that the old man him self is keeping so many of us in. as some of you navy people know we have to be PTS approved just to re-up anymore. so getting a 2.9 percent increase in basic pay is just fine with me, it alot better then getting the big Boot… happy navy days to all V/r BM2(sw)

October 23, 2009 at 6:27 am
(118) LT MP says:
October 23, 2009 at 9:01 am
(119) DrPete says:

I’m guessing, Melanie, that you’re mad at the President for spending so much money in this year’s budget too.

I’m on active duty and have friends who are making zero this year, or taking significant pay cuts. A 2.9% increase is pretty nice if you actually pay attention to what’s going on in the rest of the world. I don’t find it offensive or insulting at all.

October 23, 2009 at 1:19 pm
(120) John w says:

I am an E-4 in the USAF…everyone can have their gripes or concerns with the pay raise, but if you have a problem with it, address the situation objectively and rationally. I personally don’t agree with the things our commander in chief says or believes in but i follow then because i raised my right hand and said i would. Any one of us currently in the military volunteered and swore in under oath…we were not drafted. If someone presently serving along side me in the military has a problem with his/her pay then i want them out of the military and not deployed with me. Either go to college, get out and making something else of your lives, or suck it up and gain some pride for defending our country from others.

October 23, 2009 at 1:37 pm
(121) Career Minded says:

There are a lot of great points made, but people need to quit complaining unless you are doing something to make a difference. You got to have made some form of contribution to a cause that makes a difference to complain about how it is doing. I have been in and around the military for over 16 years. I have several degrees and graduate school out of the way and I started as an E-1 so do the math. I have attained greatness that most can’t imagine and I am proud to continue my service regardless of the Chief. So let’s work on bettering our Country instead of bad mouthing each other. Be at Peace!!!!!

October 23, 2009 at 2:22 pm
(122) Currently Forward Deployed says:

At the point I write this, there were 110 comments. Being currently out in the “war”, I just wanted to throw in my two cents.

I know for a fact that the private sector gets paid more – in fact, I know of a job that pays 3x as much for doing exactly what I’m doing. However, there are a lot of lay-offs in the private sector. My concern isn’t the pay raise, because I look at it as having more than I did before; which is wonderful.

The main problem I have is that with all the budget cuts – and, yes bailing out corporations/CEO’s – our president is making it harder and harder to stay in so we can retire. Personally, I am coming to a point in my career when I either get promoted or kiss off 26 years of service, and the military is making that very difficult. While I applaud the increase, which I’ll be able to enjoy for a few months into 2010, I still have to ask why corporate America has become so much more important than the men and women that defend out great nation?

To Mo-Hacksaw: You are allowed to question and make comments about the president. What you are NOT alowed to do is make any statements that could be perceived as any kind of violence against him.

For the rest of you that can only hurl insults at each other I say you need to take the president’s advice and go back to school so you can learn to communicate better than insulting one another.

October 23, 2009 at 3:32 pm
(123) The Sarge says:

Well-said, Marine (104)! The melting pot concept, going back to Ellis Island, is what made this Country what it is/what it was. Just as the alloys within a metal serve to make that metal stronger, the vast immigrant population of yesteryear made American society that much more resiliant. Unfortunately, for the most part, the immigrant influx of the 21st. century has only produced (nothing personal, just reality) “social slag”.

Mike (105), there’s no such thing as “only an E-4″, unless that’s the way you want to view yourself. You are an integral link in that operational chain. Maintain your outlook of personal responsibility, do your job well, and someday you just might be “only an E-9″!

Sarge

October 25, 2009 at 7:30 pm
(124) Dick says:

It troubles me that the President (and his advisors) have no concept of military life. He doesn’t realize that “contracts” were made, for example, 20 years of service qualifies for lifetime free medical care. So now when you reach 65, you begin paying for medicare like everyone else. Because of his age, he doesn’t remember how this wass used as a recruiting tool, so he and his advisors will just change it unless the military mounts some form of resistance.The health plan floating around, will require all military, whether active or retired to begin paying for a portion of their healthcare. See Budget Options, Volume 1:Health Care, Chapter Nine, Opeion 96. This certainly not what I gave 20+ plus years of my life for. I fulfilled my obligation, and I expect the government to hold up their end of the bargin. It’s time to get active and tell Washington to stand up for it’s military forces!!!

October 26, 2009 at 9:21 pm
(125) HOOOAH says:

Hey,

If you think you deserve free health care just because you served the military for 20 years, get a life! You have been receving free care for at least 20 years.

104, get your facts straight. Do you have an idea how many immigrants are serving right now? Do you know how many have died since 9/11? Open your mind up and you might find some knowlege. I hope you are not as ignorant as you write. Probably not, I can tell by the way you write.

AND to all those non-military complaning about the pay raise, do you want cheese with that?
Better yet, if you feel so patriotic, go see the nearest recruiting station.

HOOOOAH!!!!!

October 28, 2009 at 7:59 am
(126) bruno says:

I’m currently in the military. Granted 3.4% isn’t that much of a pay raise, but every little bit helps. Everybody helping out the military with discounts helps a lot and helps us save money. Those who do help us out thank you very much. At least it wasn’t a pay cut like most democrats in the past wanted.

October 28, 2009 at 2:09 pm
(127) carl says:

I’m not a smart man, I cant spell all that great but that dont matter all that much when the sky is fallin on you in the heat of combat and i do know this its hard to make ends meet as a SGT in the U.S. army when you walk threw the wire after a 2 week mission w/ only 3 MREs and your brothers in a black bag and you take turns carrying him miles just to get him home 6 ft under his wife cryin no not able to make ends meet not able to sleep at night jumping every time someone slams a door no money to get milk costs 60 just to get to and from post every week and the bills stack up prety fast but still there are people saying we make enuff for some of us yes we do but others no we dont life is hard i want more cus its our way of life to want more but tuff sith still have to get up and do it all over again if ur not in the military dont comment on me and if you are you better of been in the box but for me i love it every 2 years and every jan when i get my extra pay thats meens we goin out to eat baby, but for every e grade in the military “HELL NO ITS NOT ENUFF FOR THE STUFF IV SEEN AND DONE” yourwelcome for fighting a war so you all can talk your crap and sleep at night i will keep in the fight till i die from it

October 29, 2009 at 9:34 am
(128) rockstartcblue says:

I’m proud to serve in the military. Whatever is giving is fine with me. I choose to be in the military and it wasnt for the pay. I serve my president and my country.

October 29, 2009 at 9:35 pm
(129) Phillip says:

Folks

Active duty E8 here. Keep in mind, this is a “voluntary” force; no one is drafted. If folks are unhappy with the pay, they will move on. But if you really speak to a true military member, you will find we don’t do it for the money. The pay is equivalent to most civilian employers, usually better when you count untaxed income and benefits. So, if you are unhappy with your military, move on and make space for another who is willing to serve for more than just the money….

October 30, 2009 at 7:00 am
(130) Matthew says:

Melanie says: “This really makes me angry that he would try to enforce such a small pay raise (and) that he has not served in our military and is now leading our country. My son is in the Air Force, and I think he and any man or woman serving our country should be paid well. This is a job, and a difficult one, and they should be compensated well for their service to our country!”

I am in the Air Force myself and would like to point out that it has been the norm in my 9-year career that the president’s request has been lower than what Congress approved. In fact, Pres Bush vetoed the 2008 Defense Auth. Act, cutting the 3.5% raise Congress had already approved down to 3.0%. Bush’s recommended raise for 2007…2.2%. 3.1% the year before. Also, FDR, Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson never served in the military either. I’m not saying Obama is any of these leasers, but I hold no service criterion for the President.

November 1, 2009 at 2:42 am
(131) Johnny says:

Mark of the beast.

November 3, 2009 at 7:55 am
(132) David says:

Its interesting to read the comments of so many. I feel that these comments are from a cross-section of our population and that everyone has a right to be heard. Some folks just like to be heard regardless of the merit of their viewpoint. I for one am proud to have served and any raise that is given me is gratifying. I am a three time Viet Nam veteran that made $44.00 every two weeks in my early days. I made my own pay raises by studying and working hard. I am a “MUSTANG” who began my career as an E-1. I went as far as E-9, got my BSME degree, started over as O-1 and made it as far as O-3. I was always in control of my pay raises because I earned them! Twenty years was my goal and twenty years I served. There are not enough self motivated service people out there who take advantage of the opportunities that the military has to offer. Stop complaining about what kind of pay raise you did or didn’t receive and start giving our tax-payers what their paying for.

November 5, 2009 at 3:26 am
(133) Mark says:

I have been in the army for just about twenty years now. Will be in for about two more years. I was enlisted for half that time and yes we control where we go from the day we enlist. My stepfather was also a “MUSTANG” later O-4. Retired after 30 years in service. Although he does not care for our President, he still loves his country so much that he paid for both of my siblings college expenses. The only requirement he asked is that we serve. He would have preferred the navy but they are both in the army. Both joined right out of college one SF the other will be going to ranger school. I have been a pilot since i left the enlisted ranks and have met many people along the way. Once you get past your initial enlistment most soldiers do not stay in for the money, they stay for a greater belief Of who we are and what we do. Do we need more money “yes”. But not in our pocket books but for the equipment the keeps my brothers alive while in harms way. This i believe is what we should write to our leaders about. What good is money with your family gone.

November 10, 2009 at 10:51 pm
(134) Navy/active says:

Well for those like GARY talking about what u THINK u know but DONT. Do some research and you’ll see that Pres Bill CLINTON gave the military the BIGGEST raise in TWO DECADES!! Yes 4.8!! Hmm.. Republicans can SURE dish out information just NEVER fact. Then the last raise of the hitler OOPs I mean BUSH reign was 3.0. Research is GOOD repulblicans, it makes u a Well educated DEMOCRAT

November 12, 2009 at 12:50 pm
(135) SrA says:

What i dont understand is that how can civilians complain about what your son’s and daughter’s dont get paid? When we joined WE joined with great intentions we had full understanding of what we are doing for our country. I am a reservists do you think my pay check is what i want it to be “NO” I see what its like to be a civilian as well as an enlisted. How can we be ungrateful for what the “President” is doing he is trying to bring troops home for once one president didn’t do I am glad that we had each and every president we had because i respect them as our commander of this country. No our previous ones didn’t make the right decisions but as people the true owners of this country stop pointing fingers and blaming we are AMERICANS help each other including our PRESIDENT. believe it or not but civilians serve this country too WE move this technology we keep it running ithout civilians putting their life on the line to join the military will be nothing without “Us” but The military fights to protect it. It saddens my heart to see all these bashings and all these bad things being said about our leaders. if you want it to change get off your behind and make a difference like they did. And if you are a military officer or enlisted member and complain about the minimum raise we get get out of the military lose your benefits health dental vision free food (chow hall) extra pay for no reason just because you serve everyday or one weekend a month and get a regular 9 to 5 and see how hard it will be while this economy is still rebuilding its self again. PEOPLE JUST THINK OF WHAT YOUR SAYING AND DOING!!!!!!! this is our home and stop destroying it with disrespect and ungratefulness.114 123 and deployed mom all my prayers go out to you all and everyone else too but we dont complain for a reason our pay raise comes from each member that comes home in one piece with the thought of seeing their families and the families who lost someone that they made our country remember what they did because since the draft is never going to happen again we volunteer, no one asks us to do anything.

November 20, 2009 at 2:46 pm
(136) Jason says:

Eliminating the disparity in pay between single military personnel with no dependants and military personnel with dependants is more important than a 2.9% pay raise.

Civilian companies wouldn’t entitle you to a pay raise just because you now wear a wedding ring on you hand-why should the US military?

Military bases have adequate facilities for children (day care, schools, family support programs, etc..)-military parents aren’t entitled to more free handouts.

A single soldier’s life is just as valuable as a soldier with 3 kids and a wife. I’m a married man who previously served in the armed forces, so I’m not saying this because I’m single and bitter.

November 22, 2009 at 6:18 pm
(137) ann says:

Well that 2009 is coming to an end, do you out there still feel grateful to your beneveloent president for not giving us a 2010 cola? I was reading the comments from the beginning of 2009. I am sure that some minds have changed about this man.

November 24, 2009 at 2:19 pm
(138) LT Rick Baer says:

I am an officer in the Navy and I appreciate anything that President Obama sees fit to give us for a raise. These are very hard times for many people in this country right now and it almost seems wrong to take a pay raise when so many are doing without food, work or a place to live. I am honored to serve my country and happy that I have a well paying job doing fulfilling work. Not everything is about money.

November 24, 2009 at 9:05 pm
(139) Sarge says:

Well said Dave (121). The key issue you so-ably expressed is “self-motivation”. Too many folks in uniform feel that, somehow, they are owed something simply for wearing boots. Sure, it’s a noble profession requiring, all-too-often, far more sacrifice than one may have bargained for. And while the “dirty civilians” out there enjoy clean sheets, etc, etc, we get (got) to enjoy an MRE on the hood of a vehicle in pouring rain. All of a sudden, because of the unique-to-the-military inconveniences with which we all, at one time or another, must contend, some (far too many) feel somehow that they deserve special treatment. I guess it’s a sign of the times, not necessarily unique to the military but, unfortunately, a reality of generations which are accustomed to having it all as part of a birthright.

Incidentially, my first full-month paycheck was for $78…Jump School was the fastest way to get a raise!

November 27, 2009 at 3:26 am
(140) kevin says:

I have an Idea! Letís make the raise for 2011 50% and solve everyoneís problems!! Deployments are the hardest on families not on any one person that wears the uniform or handles everything back home. For THOSE OF YOU THAT SERVE WITH ME what is your biggest problem with the military today? Do to my job in the military I will tell you. The tour length for some branch’s (not mine) is not realistic. 12-15 months are you kidding me. You want to destroy a family I think you have found away. The solution to this is good pay raises!!! Now I know 50% is not realistic, but the economy is crap and the president could capitalize on this. Entice the civilians to join the military. Then they too will get there “yearly pay raise”, have a steady job and all the other perks everyone says we are all forgetting about. By increasing the number of members in the military you will find many more good leaders and followers will stay in. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the good members get out and the crappy ones stay?! Also 6 months deployed 6 months home is not realistic either. Enough with force shaping lets finish what we set out to do after 9/11 then worry about force shaping. Also in the civilian world it is supply and demand, which is understood by 99% of Americans. Without the military the US as we know it fails, without Kmart, Chevy, ford, dodge I wonít lose any sleep. You want a job find your nearest recruiter and sign with us. Most people are not willing to make this sacrifice. I love this country, I love US citizens, I love to serve bottom line. But why not fix several problems at ounce by creating jobs within the military, higher pay raises and fewer deployments with less frequency. That makes since to me. If we wanted to be rich then we would stay deployed. We want the American dream just as everyone else. Hopefully I didnít offend anybody that was not my purpose. The funny thing is I was looking for pay charts so I could make a budget for my redeployment to the states and ended up reading everyoneís input. Thank you all for all that you do. I am proud of you and your families for the strength you demonstrate. Stay safe, stay strong and keep your heads up we WILL finish this together.

November 27, 2009 at 1:23 pm
(141) Don says:

I love the military life and job. I will never be fiered or layed off. There are to many military members bad mouthing the military. You knew what you signed for and how much you would get. If you go into the feild thinking..”I dont get paid enough for this” attitude, you will stop careing. That attitude gets your men killed. You start thinking like that then get the hell out of this job. I dont want you in the feild with me watchin my back. No one owes u anything special just because you put that uniform on. Yes the Gov. puts a price tag on our life so to speak. Just take the time to look at all the other things you get. You gain friends and family. Those friends you can trust your “life” with. You get down on your luck and we all pull together to help out. We also get free health care, and that adds up to a lot of money. Other things such as… food allowance, clothing allowance, free schooling, BAH “basic allowance for housing”, free base housing, discounts at stores and hotels ect. Add that all up and it comes to a good chunk of money. When people ask me what I do and I replay “im in the militay”, they always say “thanks for serving our country”. I respond with “thank you for giving me a job that I love”. If it was not for civilians we would have no job.

November 29, 2009 at 2:21 pm
(142) Malcom says:

what’s wrong with socialism?

November 30, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(143) Laura says:

To those who are complaining about President Obama’s decision to give the military the minimum raise let me remind you that we are in a recession and very few people are getting raises in the private sector. I am the wife of a military member, and I would love for my hubby to get a bigger raise, but I am smart enough to know that we are one of the lucky few who have job security. Plus lets not forget that these figures do not include any possible increases in our Housing Allowances or Cost of Living Allowances. Stop complaining and be greatful for the good things we have!

December 1, 2009 at 1:29 am
(144) Corpsman says:

I am in the military and I have had plenty of friends die for for you guys to sit here and argue about something half of you don’t even know what you are talking about. Personally if you are not in the military stay out.

December 1, 2009 at 2:23 am
(145) USMC GRUNT says:

I could be wrong but is my understanding there are no cola pay increases for disabled vets or social security scheduled. The price of everything has gone up yet it seems congress got their increase? Made up of mostly wealthy individuals that don’t have a clue what a gallon of gas or milk cost. These people are so far out of touch with the average citizen they don’t have a clue, yet we still vote them into office. Wake up! Compare the salaries of a civilian air traffic controller to that of an enlisted person doing the same job! Wait until you retire and live on a fixed income, it gets even better. Obama likes to compare himself to Abraham Lincoln the President that enacted care for wounded shoulders but Obama wanted their private insurance to pay for their wounds. Next election there should be a box at the bottom that states , None Of The Above! 100% P&T

December 1, 2009 at 2:38 am
(146) william whitley says:

Wounded soldiers, don’t want to make a mistake in this crowd !

December 1, 2009 at 2:55 am
(147) USMC GRUNT says:

Sarge, nothing to do with generations, my biggest pay increase was $65.00 a month combat pay. E3 0331 USMC Vietnam 1/9 “The Walking Dead”, operation Dewey Canyon What’s right is right, nothing more or less than what we are entitled to, if congress gets a raise or bail’s out a company that failed, why shouldn’t we?

December 1, 2009 at 5:15 am
(148) Sarge says:

Marine, I couldn’t agree with you more. What with the TARP, extravagent exec pay/bonus for bailed-out companys, and the “here-a-billion-there-a-billion” devil-may-care manner in which our entrusted Congress throws our money around, I, to, get more than a little ticked off. You and I are probably entering the soon-to-be retired phase; now we have a Congress which, for unfathonable reasons, sees fit to withhold a segment of Social Security which an ever-increasing population of us “ole farts” has always relied upon. Like the man said, “I’m at a loss for words”! Semper Fi, Marine!

December 1, 2009 at 11:34 am
(149) USMC pencil pusher says:

I served for 12 yrs, and the Corps has paid me and my Husband handsomely. I’m now a “Civilian Marine” and I still see a decent paycheck. It’s simply a matter of how you spend your money. After revamping and cutting back household expenses, many have found that they were better off, and didn’t miss anything that wasn’t a necessity. Someone can do something as simple as give up their Starbuck and nicotine addiction and see a huge difference. Anyway, those Servicemen and Servicewomen who serve overseas, in harm’s way, are those who truly deserve increases. I won’t complain because I at least have a job to report to, when so many of my fellow Americans don’t. During these times, an increase in the middle of a recession is a blessing and a half.

December 1, 2009 at 12:07 pm
(150) USMC GRUNT says:

Dear pencil pusher, I am a 100% permanent & total disabled vet. There are only so many cuts you can make living on a fixed income. Wait until you retire and you will see what I mean! I consider myself very lucky to receive my VA comp and I get buy. What about those on social security, have older friends that exist on less than $300 SS and 10% VA comp a month but won’t be getting COLA. Yet Congress got their COLA, how many of them do you think actually need it? Yes times are tough my son is laid off from GM another can’t find a job. My son and grandson are active duty both just back from war. Son could leave and make big bucks with his training but is staying for his 20. I know about hardship believe me!

December 1, 2009 at 12:14 pm
(151) Sarge says:

USMC, your actions speak volumns for that which too many people, Military and “dirty civilian” alike, don’t, can’t, or won’t accept…ADAPT AND ADJUST! During my frequent visits to USOs across the Country, I often (jokingly) remark, “Better not let the Marines in…they might start setting good examples”! Thanks, Marine!

December 3, 2009 at 10:05 am
(152) Ret. CPO says:

Ask yourself this qustion, If an employer gave you an M-16 and told you to go in a combat zone where you WILL encounter insurgents, who WILL be firing their weapons at you and paid you $35k per year….would you do it?

I question the legitamacy of the people on site forum who claim in the military. When I served, we always looked forward to a pay raise, why is this changing now?

I think think this forum is being overtaken by extreme leftists to try and promote their support for a substandard president. I will not read or post anymore on this site.

December 3, 2009 at 3:21 pm
(153) Sarge says:

Chief, you’re scarin me! One probable ole fart to another probable ole fart…DON’T DO DAT!

In all seriousness, Chief…I am the first, in a long long line, to admit that service personnel, regardless of combat status, have never been paid sufficiently. Lee Iacocca once coined the term “dignified wage”…to be sure, many Americans, who wear the uniform in defense of our Nation, must rely on Govt assistance in order to sustain their families’ well-being…this is certainly not what I would refer to as “serving in dignity”, and, Chief, I just don’t got the answers. Short of going on strike (definitely not an option) and demanding better wages, the professional military man/woman is obliged to simply suck it up, continue the mission, and urge those in his/her command to follow suite. I realize, Chief, that many people don’t care for the “suck it up” answer, that it’s, somehow, a cop out. And many do not care to acknowledge the “bigger than self” concept which lies at the heart of military service. I’m not gonna preach to you, Chief…I’ll insult neither you, myself, nor the uniforms we once wore…I’ll not insult the kids we lead, nor those who wish to follow in our footsteps.

The people who partake of this forum, for the most part, express a sincere interest in various facets of the military, and of military life. They may express views bent to the right or to the left…I believe that, basically, is why we once wore those “suits”. Either way, Chief, they are all “legit”…they may not express views which are in concert with your’s, however, they are all legit.

Weather you wish to continue partaking of the discussions herein is entirely up to you. Anchors Aweigh, Chief!

December 4, 2009 at 4:10 pm
(154) Matthew says:

Jason says:
“Eliminating the disparity in pay between single military personnel with no dependants and military personnel with dependants is more important than a 2.9% pay raise.

“Civilian companies wouldnít entitle you to a pay raise just because you now wear a wedding ring on you hand-why should the US military?

“Military bases have adequate facilities for children (day care, schools, family support programs, etc..)-military parents arenít entitled to more free handouts.

“A single soldierís life is just as valuable as a soldier with 3 kids and a wife. Iím a married man who previously served in the armed forces, so Iím not saying this because Iím single and bitter.”

Well, Jason, how about this… my wife is a teacher. She has to switch employment every time I PCS. Her new schools invariably don’t give her near her full credit for years taught (usually half at best), which hurts her in the pay scale, and may not honor her teaching credential from another state, which further can hurt her pay and require paying for more classes to make it acceptable to the new state. We move around at the govt’s pleasure, so this is an inevitability and not a matter of choice as with civilians. There is also usually going to be a gap in her employment. This costs our family money. My base pay is no different from single people, just my allowance for housing, which is meant to provide a certain standard of living with or w/o dependents. How about an example: A captain w/over 4 years teaching at the USAFA makes 4722.90 base and 223.04 BAS. If single, his BAH is 1227; if married, it’s 1385. Total income is 6172.94 single and 6330.94 married. Are you really that upset about 2.5% overall difference? Add to that that a great many single folks I’ve known rent houses together and end up pocketing about half of their BAH…not really an option with a family.

December 7, 2009 at 9:57 am
(155) Redfan80 says:

I sat here and read ever one of your posts. I can’t believe some of you. I see these posts this guy next to me is making 4 times what I make. Well guess what when the time is up for you TRY and I repeat TRY to make it on the outside. I am retired from the Navy and always said I can’t wait, the grass will be greener. HAHA what a joke. I can say now without hesitation I miss the stability of a PAYCHECK no matter what.

It cracks me up to see people say “this officer makes more then me and he does nothing” Well guess what you too can be an officer. But instead you choose to slide by, live outside your means, and complain about everything you can.

The one thing the complainers fail to realize is they are getting a raise no matter how much it is. My social security disability isn’t going up at all. Nor is my VA money. And guess what I am fine with that because I live within my means. I read one post of a soldier saying he sees folks buying SUVs and such when they come home. Then saying I don’t make enough money. That is so true. When will the complainers wake up and realize you are the LUCKY ones this year. So many out here are losing there homes, jobs, cars, and everything else, while you are getting a raise. Sorry if this is a little all over the place, it just shocks me that we live in a country of ENTITLEMENT now. When did that happen?

December 8, 2009 at 12:03 pm
(156) Looney Tunes says:

This is in response to Robert. You do know that even those first time police officers get paid twice as much as a first time soldier. Lets just say a e-1 compared to the ranking of a police officer with the same status. I bet you you will get paid more. Tell me if I am wrong.

December 8, 2009 at 12:24 pm
(157) Mitch Govro (USA Ret.) 82D says:

For mothers and fathers be thankful your sons and daughters have such great benefits; you won’t find these same benefits in another military like the ones we have in America. For other service members regardless of your status be thankful we get a pay raise since there hasn’t been a raise in inflation. The president could have given our service members 0% pay increase across the board.

December 8, 2009 at 2:11 pm
(158) Sheree says:

As a veteran I under stay that the new pay raise for the military is only what he can do. By law the president can only give the military a rasie no higher then what the non military work force is getting. We are in a recession. I have seen high pay raise a few years back when the econmic was booming.

December 8, 2009 at 3:22 pm
(159) Sarge says:

Well-said, Red 8!

December 8, 2009 at 8:28 pm
(160) NC says:

As I sit and read your comments I commend those who stand up for not only the President of the United States but also and importantly for the those who are serving and have served in the military. I am a civilian and there are no pay increases in thousands of jobs that people work. Do i get jealous and angry because of the increase that is coming for those serving in the military now, no, i don’t. I am thankful because they put their lives on the line daily for my safety. Yes, we are in a recession but the men and women who serve THIS country need and have to be taken care of. This not only allows them to be and feel appreciated but it also gives a type of piece of mind knowing that they and their families are being taken care of when and if they are on the battlefield. So what the military is getting a raise. If we work hard on the outside we too can receive benefits for ourselves. Instead of complaining about the raise the military is giving, why don’t some of you join the military and then you too can receive the benefits they are receiving. If you are still alive be thankful and stop complaining. Find a more worthy cause to fight for.

December 9, 2009 at 3:19 am
(161) Jessie says:

It is sad that the president is so quick to provide free health care to everyone, but decided on the lowest possible pay raise for the military. I bet over half of the free healthcare recipients would qualify for service in the military. If they want health care they should join the military. Unfortunately many of the current unemployed and uninsured citizens would rather sit around and take a hand out than man up (or woman up) and join the fight. You can’t say that we are not hiring. We take almost anyone these days. The Govt. needs to focus its spending on essential things, like schools, law enforcement, rescue services, defense, roads, bridges and other infrastructure. Teachers, police officers, firefighters, and military do not get compensated enough for the services they provide. What price would you pay to keep your family safe? Minimal? That’s what this pay increase shows. Instead the govt. will now divert funds to free health care, more welfare and other free handouts to many people who are able to improve their situation by budgeting, working hard or going to college. But why would anyone want to do those things if the govt. will take care of them anyway?

December 13, 2009 at 10:56 pm
(162) Jacob says:

This is a response to all. I have read through all of these comments, and the only one’s that make any kind of sense are those from people who are in the military. Yes, family is a big issuse with today’s army. Granted I am a single soldier, i deal with a lot of married personel who are of less rank. I have served for the past three years and held my head high doing so. I have seen people abusing the benefits of being married and personel getting married right before deployment just to make the extra. Is it right ? By no means is it right. I have an NCO who failed to turn in his divorce paper work and is still making the extra. So when these problems are stopped, I’m sure there can be and will be a greater pay increase. I was talking with a civilian contractor about our pay difference. The only thing he would say is “Let’s just say, what you make in a month, I pay in taxes “. Do i think this is right, no. For all of us who have to leave the wire, and put ourselves in direct danger. And it’s even less for a single soldier.

The part that really gets me is garrison. A single soldier who lives on post is given 385.23$ just so they can take it right back out for meal deductions. Now if you don’t eat at the chow hall, they still take that out of our pay. For a married soldier or one who lives off post, they only pay 3.50ish. What kind of sence does that make ? I have asked time and time again for Seperate rations. And have been denied time and time again. I do not eat at the chow hall back in garison. I find it rediculous they take 4,622.76$ a year for something I do not use. They say it’s suppose to go back into your pay if not used, well I have yet to see any of it. But there is “nothing” anyone can do about it. So before anyone is upset about not getting a outstanding pay raise, we should look at who is really getting thrown to the wolves. Thank you.

December 16, 2009 at 1:54 pm
(163) Danielle says:

First of all I am a woman serving active duty in the army. I am fine with the pay increase. Look at our economy, yes my job places me in danger, but so do many other jobs in America. Even factory workers are in danger everyday therfore I am thankful to be getting a raise when so many people have lost their jobs due to lay offs, cut backs, and flat out companys going under. Secondly I am not sure why everyone is attacking the President. Realize first of all that as Americans we put him in office. He has not even been in a year and yet everyone is expecting him to pull a miracle out of his hat. Change takes time, and yes some sacrifices to succeed. It also takes perserverance, and it would help if we were all supportive. I for one love my job, I would not trade being in the military for anything and yes I do have college credit yes I graduated high school and yes I am enlisted. Now as to the whole food rations thing. Meal pay is a benefit, you should think about this first. It is not a part of your base pay, so in all honesty quit complaining about having to eat at the meal hall. You should also look at the fact that the military pays for your housing which is also another benefit. You also have free health care and dental care. What other company can you say honestly offers something like this??? So before everyone starts complaining about how small you think our raise is, look around you because you will find many people that are alot worse off than yourself.

December 17, 2009 at 11:47 am
(164) bman says:

I am currently on active duty military. While it would be nice to make money hand over fist, most people are not in the military because they think that it will make them wealthy. We get a raise each year that is more than adequate to cover expenses that come up. I am an E6 I own a house, 2 cars, 2 motorcycles, and can afford pretty much anything within reason. I have no issues with the raise.

December 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm
(165) Joy says:

I would have liked to see Obama request more than the minimum…but I can’t complain.

My husband is an E-7, 17 years active duty, in 2010 after BAH rate and BAS he will make over $35 per hour, $67,326 per year. We have a beautiful almost new house 5 bedroom, 3 bathroom, huge family room, game room, and living room that we have paid 1/2 off in the 3 years since we have been stationed here. He makes enough to where I can stay home with our 4 children. How can we complain…the military is the only employer these days who will take a 18 year old, provide all of their housing, clothing, food, and training.

Yes the pay stinks at first but so does any job when you are 18 and uneducated.

December 17, 2009 at 12:27 pm
(166) American Airman says:

I am a SrA in THE USAF. I think the 2.9 pay raise would have been more than enough. I’ve made more money (base pay, BAH, BAS) as an AB then my parents working combined. Now that I’m a SrA and BOTH parents are LAID OFF. THat is even more true. Honestly with inflation at 0% last year we don’t need one, and if you complain about are pay, than i am disapointed that I have to serve with you.

December 18, 2009 at 2:26 am
(167) SPC G says:

Hey guys as soldiers we are a proud people!!! Serving our country is an honor. Its more than just money that prides our duty. You that complain cant manage money in the first place. As you ascend into the ranks money grows with all our benefits in this overview we our well compensated. Hey if more people did their job rather than complain and discourage others this country would really be a envied one. God Bless you all!!!

December 18, 2009 at 7:39 am
(168) 21yrsofService says:

There are some many of you on here that haven’t been in a uniform but a day and a half. And you feel you have the right to complain. “AT EASE” and shut up. Put your time in and serve selfless. You guys are such panty waist. BE A TRUE SOLDIERS. Support you leadership…DISRESPECT to you Superiors is punishable under UCMJ..Remember that!!!!be mindful of what you post….

December 18, 2009 at 7:13 pm
(169) Aaliyah says:

I think as a member of a branch of service that we should get a much bigger pay raise. As of now that 3.4% does nothing. For one the businesses and rental properties increase what you have to pay them and its not fair. the amount in federal taxes or state taxes you dont see it anyway. We work hard and spend so much time from our families. Especially on deployments. Let’s stopping these celebrities millions for not risking their lives and start paying those of us who do.

December 19, 2009 at 10:33 am
(170) chris says:

dan are you kidding me? wow 2.9 raise for soldiers seems fair to you. No way boss, soldier, teachers, policemen, firefighters, and other government workers are overworked and underpaid. To say he wants to help out and propose such small pay raise. I just dont believe it.

December 19, 2009 at 4:32 pm
(171) nay says:

My husband has been in the army for almost 15 years. I dont like it when he is gone and has commitments he has to fulfill, but I do honestly feel that we are more than fairly compensated for our time and troubles. I dont like Obama, and didnt vote for him, so this isnt about that. I do, however, feel that we are paid very well. Especially, when you factor free health insurance into the deal. That right there costs most americans several hundred dollars a month, if they have it!

December 19, 2009 at 7:58 pm
(172) Timothy says:

I really get tired of people talking about the enlisted ranks as being lower educated, etc. It is true that many do not have but a high school diploma when they start; however, I despise young management people looking down their noses at people who have a “lower” position than they do. I remember a young 1LT that crapped all over his enlisted people because they were just ignorant folks. Well, I have to tell you what I really found funny was that most of his enlisted people, that were making him successful, possessed much more education than he. So, whenever some person comes along and says that the enlisted people should just “At Ease! And Shut Up!” I just have to wonder about those people. They love the military it seems for their own sense of power! I have never seen anything written that says that just because you have some higher rank gives you to have the right to have an opinion and those of lesser rank do not have the right to an opinion. No matter how you slice it, military personnel deserve proper compensation. If we want to demand the best from our forces, then they should have an attractive benefits package! If not, then we can expect to lose them. The military should always strive to keep pace. If it were a draft military, then I would have a different opinion; however, we brag about our exceptional professional military. THEN PAY THEM!!!

December 20, 2009 at 10:52 pm
(173) Army First Sergeant says:

After reading all these comments I can tell you that military pay can be good and bad. Here is the bad: Some Soldiers will find themselves in situations where they can not meet their obligations either due to living above their means or just not having enough. An example is an E-3 stationed in D.C. with a stay at home spouse and three kids who are not school aged yet. Even with all pay and allowances, they may still wind up on public assistance. I’ve been there. On the other side are Soldiers with beuatiful homes, cars, money in the bank etc. Our pay system is not perfect. It is based on a 70% pay scale. That means we get paid approximately 70% of what we would get paid in the civilian sector with the same approximate skill set and education. Now the formula used to calculate this payscale is no doubt out of date. We are a lot more educated and way more skillful. But thats what we have to work with. We get a raise every year automatically and every two years for longevity and pay raises with promotion. This is just base pay. I know it doesn’t seem like much, but as mentioned before, when you add in the allowances and benefits and 401K you don’t have to contribute to, I’m ok with my pay. So the rest of you please don’t speak for the entire military. if you want officer pay, become an officer. If you want to get paid more for your education, get out and make that money. One day we may actually see a better system, but where will that money come from to pay for it? Will you give up 100% tuition assitance to cover your raise? Or maybe take your G.I. Bill as a one-time cash bonus? Nothing is free, the money has to be there to make it happen. Millions of people are jobless, homeless and hungry, but here we are complaining about ONLY getting a 3.4% pay raise. AMAZING.

December 23, 2009 at 2:13 am
(174) AFWIFE says:

First of Jaime: Don’t be bitter just bc your “fat slob” of a wife squandered away all of your money! I’m far from “fat slob”, and I can assure you I don’t sit around waiting on my husband’s paycheck, and I’m a MILITARY WIFE- so take your biased opinion and f*** off!!!
And as far as the raise goes- I think it’s fair. And so does my husband who has 3 years in AD Air Force SF and is preparing for his first deployment come January.. Just like others have said before me, where else can you get these benefits and this type of job security?? Sure we would all love more money- and you’re lying if you say you don’t- thats the human nature- we always want more. But I challenge you to stop counting your money, and start counting your blessings! You could be like so many other civillians desperately trying to find a job before you lose everything you’ve ever worked for!!!! As my husband would say (and many many others) nobody gets rich serving their country. You just don’t. And I don’t know about you all, but thats not why he puts on his uniform everyday, and thats not why he signed on the line. He signed up for the fight. He signed up for his country, his family, and the people he will be fighting along side.- Ask him- he will tell you. As for Obama.. he will never be able to please everyone, and I’m sure he’ll always be doing something that pisses someone off. I think he’s just having to clean up somebody elses mess. Give him some credit, could you run this nation?? Anyways.. My husband and I are thankful for any kind of raise, at least we’re getting one. Never forget, it could always be worse!

December 23, 2009 at 5:44 am
(175) AN ARMY WIFE says:

I have seen many comments left and all make some good point and some bad points. As for as pay and pay raises go, people should not forget what are service members, also including police officers, fire fighters and etc. do for our great country. They put their lives on the line. But their is one big difference, unlike our military service members, they do not leave families behind to fight a war in a foreign country. They do not see their families for a year or more. They do not get to sleep in those comfy beds. they do not go out on convoys hoping that they do not run over any IED’s. They do not talk to their families twice every months. They were trained to FIGHT WARS & DEFEND OUR COUNTRY. with out them there wouldn’t be any land of the free. Who takes care of all the chores, errands, kids, basically everything when her husband is in training for months at a time. Military families have to bear it, because when they married a soldier they married the ARMY too, and you people have to appreciate that it is not only the soldier that is suffering but his family too. You cannot say our service members are recieving alot. Let me first tell you, that BAH, BAS, TRICARE are BENEFITS that are given for enlisting into the military just like any ordinary job. YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE BASE PAY-minus tax and see if our military service members are being overpaid or underpaid, because I will be the first to tell you that they are underpaid, for all the training, long hours, time away, and dangerous jobs they have to face including their family, be cause it does not account to any other job. Just remember they get a flat pay, they dont get paid by the hour. Some pull 24 hour dutys some work more than 12 hours at a time. Obama is for supporting the troops, Michelle is for supporting the troops families. How about having internets for our troops to see their family, beacuse it is freaken ridiculous to have to pay $300.00 a month for freaken internet. They have all these programs and cousleing to help families, but I know that I would rather see my husband online one a week than to go to any counseling or program. I think it will be more effective and cheaper than phone cards if internet could be provided, if not for free than at least at a cheaper rate that could be affordable. No pay raise can amount to anyones life being risked for this country. when you think about what an service member gets paid, dont think of their housing allowance, because it is a freaken benefit. which part of benefit dont you people understand. Were still fighting a war that i still do not understand they keep chainging there reasons for this war. If i were to recall, they still havent found the weapons of mass destructions?….

December 23, 2009 at 8:22 am
(176) A Person says:

I am currently serving Active Duty in the Air Force, just returned from an 8 month deployment to Iraq, and recently just re-enlisted. I have to say that there are a lor of pro Obama comments that I agree with and a lot of negative ones that I agree with. I admit that I am paid fairly for the job that I do, no one forced me to do it. I would like more money, and there are times that I feel severely underpaid, but at the end of the day I have food in my stomach and a roof over my head as well as all my medical and dental needs taken care of no questions asked. I do, however have a problem with being lied to. One of the main platforms of his running for Presidency was, taking care of the troops. I specifically remember him and his wife talking about getting the service members more money and raising their standard of living. Now that he is president, he raises our pay by the bare min. and not to mention allowed people to cut out housing allowance down… that sure sounds like raising our standard of living. I currently live where my BAH matches up with an apartment and the utilities, and we have had 2 shootings in our apartment complex in the past month. I sleep with both a shot gun and a .40 pistol next to my bed, and another .40 in my living room, I am just waiting for the Pres. to take those away too.

December 23, 2009 at 10:04 am
(177) Dominik says:

Great
it is always the O’s that are satisfied with their pay, and there is a damn good reason for that. They get more then NCO’s a lot more, see the pay chart people. So, O’s, you keep your liberal comments on how great the president is to yourself. Now, the pay raise, helllloooo, he gives the minimum required, wow, a real good way to show greatitude Mr. Obama. No, I am not calling him Mr. President because he still has to earn that right. First show our great nation that you are capable to do what you are telling us you can. STOP making pointless promises, concentrate on fixing things that are importand to the nation and it’s survival, telling us that you will fix the way the rules are set up in the Rose Bowl is not what we are looking for. Yes he did promise that.
If you need money for projects, stop taking it through taking from people like us lower class scum, like soldiers, cops, emergency techs, whoever does much with very little, start taking from your winnies that work for you. Stop giving enormous pay raises to politicians they have plenty, a gold watch is not nessessery for them a cheap timex tells time to. I am sure you know what I am reffering to. Stop letting the great Jew control this nations economy. Stop buying expensive equipment that we operators on the ground DO NOT want or need. Stop filling up the pockets of rich Jews, those pockets are already full. Think about who will save this nation when the time comma. The Jews will pack their bags and move out they always have after they suck someone dry. Take care of your Troops like they take or you.
One more thing, hey if all you want is fight wars that is great, I love my job to, no other job has that satisfaction after putting two controlled pairs into a ragheads body. But saying that you will do this for less is stupid. We do not get payed enought. Even with all the extra stuff on top of it. Housing. It is substandard at best, if you go offpost you can not afford it anymore, 300 for food per month. Well 320, get out of town. 150 to jump out of airplanes and risk your life, awasome. 275 danger pay, get shot, realy, and you only get it down there. Who ever said we get enought does not have a family of 5 for sure.

December 24, 2009 at 6:58 pm
(178) Perry says:

For the record, there has been many former US presidents that did not serve our country while in uniform. However, they served as President. Service is service. How many of you think you will ever be president of the United States? Let’s respect our president and do our part to move our great nation forward and bickering over pay raises.

December 26, 2009 at 12:08 am
(179) crews says:

I think the new pay raise stinks. Already I only bring home about a dollar an hour. I go to work at 5am and dont get off till about 6 pm, 5 and sometimes 6 days a week doing my best to defend my country. There is never enough money to even pay my modest bills. Now another slap in the face from Washington.

December 26, 2009 at 12:35 am
(180) Jake says:

I think that officers should get a 38% pay cut. Thats 38 not 3.8. They are WAY overpayed. I wish i had a degree in Philosophy or Communications. Then i would be qualified to be in charge of soldiers with way more experience than me. Half the officers are just people that were too stupid or did too bad in college so they couldn’t get a real job. They obviously didn’t want to join the military thats why they went to college. They HAD to join because they didn’t get a degree worth a damn. This rant does not apply to officers who went to a military college or prior-enlisted all though they should still get a pay cut too.

December 26, 2009 at 12:13 pm
(181) A1C says:

As an airman, I feel I am paid reasonably. I knew how much money I was going to be paid before I enlisted into the military. I knew that joining the military would mean that eventually I would be deployed. If you are a military spouse, you knew what you were getting into also. If you are not happy with the pay you are receiving…get out. When your time is up, separate. When you separate, I hope that you took advantage of the tuition assistance that the Government provides and received a degree. You will need that degree because if you don’t have it, good luck in getting a job that is comparable to the military in terms of pay. For those of you that are not in the military or family of the military, it is not your concern of how much money I receive. I personally am tired of military members that complain about being in the military. If you are not happy, LEAVE! I am not thrilled with the fact that I delploy and work 14 hour days at times. I have a husband and two little girls. It kills me that I work so hard and have so little time with them. However, they will always have food, a roof over their heads, and we live pretty comfortable. I will serve my six years and separate. Within those six years, the Government will pay for my training, and school so when I do separate, I can get a job making $100K plus. When you look at all the benefits that Government provides, you have nothing to complain about. If you are not happy with your life…CHANGE IT!!!

December 28, 2009 at 4:07 am
(182) SSG I am says:

I am sitting here reading all of the complaining about the pay increase. You guys are being really selfish as hell. I mean you have to take in the fact that the President walked into the White House with his cleaning/ maintenance team trying to clean up and repair what your beloved G.W. started and walked away from. Then there are you complaining about the back to back deployments and being away from your loved ones, last time I checked this was a volunteer Army and you can leave when you’re ready to go. Oh I forgot what do you tell the bill man when he comes for his money? You people raised your hand by yourself and took the Oath of Enlisment without the rifle so suck it up drive on and if you find it unfair you can do your time get out and see if you can get lucky enough to find one of those contracting jobs as your civilian counterparts. This comment is for the Military Spouses that’s sitting at home being a stay at home mom (the lazy couch potato) if you are so concerned about your spouses pay get out of the house stop all the gossiping and take your behind and find a job and then be supportive of your man that way instead of online complaining to a bunch of strangers about a pay raise how about raising the employment rate in your household. By the way i’ve served my country for the past 14 1/2 years as a single parent with a child that requires alot of medical attention you tell me where in the civilian sector can I find a job that is going to foot the bill for nursing 24hrs a day (since that’s what my child require). I commend the president for doing an outstanding job thus far. Last but not least those of you all on the G. Bush stick lay off he wasn’t so great if he were he would have tried to fix some of his own s*&^ before he left office. For the former First Lady H. Clinton your doing wondrful things.

December 28, 2009 at 9:15 am
(183) HN(FMF)KING says:

I see mad air force and mad army but as a corpsman with my marines I really find it funny how you can complain about what your getting paid when you promised to defend this country honestly I think if you cam complain we dnt need you in the military because your obviously not working if you can be more upset about your pay instead of a free country. Get off the mans back let him do his thing after all what can you say you don’t agree. He is my boss as well as yours and quite frankly if he could hear you complain he’d probably fire you. I’m just saying in my eyes as long as I’m paid I’m good I would even rather be broke and free than broke and under a different rulership! CORPSMAN UP

December 29, 2009 at 4:21 pm
(184) ernest says:

I told you not to vote for him. Nothing good has came out of Your new president.

December 29, 2009 at 6:51 pm
(185) wo says:

Some good personal financial planning, saving, and investing can multiply your paycheck quite a bit.

I’ve often heard younger people say they could be making so much more money on the outside, but they don’t know what they’re talking about in most cases. The military is one of the best deals around, and exceeds most of what younger service members could be doing in the private sector, given their age, experience and the economy. Benefits are better than most and upward mobility to mid-level management is nearly automatic. If you are complaining about the poor compensation of military members I would say you are not aware of what is going on in the private sector these days.

If you don’t like socialism, then you should get out of the military, since we get socialized health care, generous education benefits, government pay raises, government pensions, the VA, and so on.

The President is finally trying to do something about Afghanistan after 8 years of strategic failure and mismanagement of the country. You people need to turn off your right wing talk radio and start fixing some of your own problems instead of blaming the President for everything. Military pay is the best it’s ever been in this country, maybe you need to find a second job if you can’t stop spending.

December 29, 2009 at 11:37 pm
(186) claw says:

Hi Jake, maybe you should stop whining like a little girl and take some of those benefits and go to college like I did over 8 years and 2 deployments. I’m now one of those prior enlisted (11 years, 3 deployments, 2 invasions) present day officers who you think should have to start reporting to Privates.

I get paid more because I have more responsibility and experience than those under me. I know more than they do, not just because of college, but because of the aforementioned experience. It’s a fair trade since, at the end of the day, I’m the one that has to answer for what happened, not them.

Why don’t you go to night school and get your degree? Posting on this blog shows you’ve got plenty of time to waste. Then again, maybe you can think about why a leaderless Army with low paid officers would be a good thing.

December 30, 2009 at 5:21 am
(187) recently promoted sgt says:

It funny how people have time to complanin in a blog and all about the president and how he is doing. But in or government we have a thing called checks and balances loosely put not one paticular branch of government will have more power than the other. So when yall complain about how much the president is not doing his job also make sure you note the house and congress as well cause the president can’t do a whole lot with out them.
Also i agree when spouses complaining about their spouses pay that they should try to find work, but my spouse has a dehabilitating disease in her spine and can’t even get disability and she worked for her share of it. Im sorry but America is getting away from the ideals it was founded on. As for the economy you want to make it better you need to attack big oil companies that are gouging the american people with high gas prices. that would be a start. I don’t beleive in handouts either if your lazy unemployed bum can work you should be trying to do everything to secure work and also consider military as an option due to way job market is. Im not asking for anyone to join so don’t get that idea. In closing I leave this America and its people need to get their head out of their fourth point of contact(ass) and buckle down and do their part whatever it may be to make the society better for our future generations.

December 30, 2009 at 9:14 am
(188) Lyn says:

Are you sure civilians are not putting themselves in harms way? Get real! My husband retired with over 20 years in the Army and chose to go to Irag as a civilian employee to help rebuild that country. He works along side soldiers everyday! He carries a weapon, wears a flak jacket and has encountered attacks. He may make more money as a civilain over there but he served 20 years service on active duty (did “4″ one year tours over there)
He didn’t turn his back when his time was up. What he does is important and he supports his fellow soldiers! So get your facts straight before you complain pay issues! I agree a larger pay raise should have been approved but what civilians do to support the military is vital! By the way I have been a DOD employee for over 20 years, work with soldiers every day. Never hear them complain about the pay! They’re doing this for our future generations!

January 1, 2010 at 11:06 am
(189) MzChelle says:

You complaining ass people need to get real. You so happlily raised you hand and took the same oath I did and I signed up 10 years ago getting paid less. It’s funny how all you really want to do is serve you country inthe beginning and as time goes on it’s no longer important. You people need to get out and find another job. I don’t want to serve with someone complaining about money when my freedom and yours is on the line. There are people out there that can’t even get a job let alone medical taken care of for you and your family. I’m sorry, you knew what you were getting into when you signed and if not then, when you raised you hand again. Everyone knows this is not the job to become rich, but we do live comfortably. I’m very disappointed when people take advantage of something small and blow it up like our president is out to get the world. If that’s what you think, take your ass to the other country fighting for their life eveyday on their own soil. See if you’ll be able to survive and have the same amenitites the military has afforded you here, self !!!&&$$!

January 2, 2010 at 8:42 am
(190) j says:

Wow look at Dan, he must have a desk job. Thanks Dan, hopefully we won’t see you come up from under the oval office desk.

January 2, 2010 at 6:02 pm
(191) SSG Anthony says:

I’ve been serving in the Army since Jan 2003 and yes I volunteered. I’ve been to Iraq 3 times and now recruit for the Army in Dallas, TX. I LOVE MY JOB! But Here’s the thing I don’t get…the only ones who are complaining are civilians. We get a pay raise EACH and EVERY year. Not only that but every two years of service we get an addtional raise. Did I mention we also get a pay raise when we get promoted, and while serving in a special Duty MOS we receive incentive pay which is anywhere between 250-650 dolllars. Lets not forget about relocation pay, TDY money, Free job training, free tuition assistance not only for the soldier for his family and a whole bunch of other incentives that I can go on and on about. But the best incentive for serving in any branch of military, especially the Army is the fact that it’s self rewarding, and the fact that your surrounded with men and women who stand for the same thing you stand for without complaining one bit. And the fact that you can retire in 20yrs, well 14yrs for me. ARMY STRONG!!

January 3, 2010 at 12:16 am
(192) AB says:

As a proud airman of the united states airforce, I am glad and honored to say I get payed just fine. An increase in pay even as little as it is, is a blessing. Now to all of the civilians that don’t really understand what its like in the united states military.

You have no clue, not in the slightest, of what an honor and sacrifice it is to be in the service. Not only has it proved me to be an outstanding airman, but a more caring, understanding, and intillectual indidvidual.yes, the sacrifice could potentially be my life, but I am willing to put that on the line for america.

January 3, 2010 at 8:36 am
(193) SGT_Fisher82ND says:

It is entirely too obvious who has served and who has not served. And if you are a retiree, thanks for serving and leading the way for men like myself. However, times are extremely different. I enlisted KNOWING that I was going to go directly to a combat zone. I have spent 20 months deployed while only being in the Army a total of 4 years. I am deployed again. A pay raise is not the end of the world, but for anyone to say that we are compensated enough due to the BAH, meal entitlements(which you actually pay for each month) medical, you’re crazy. You try doing this job and then let me hear what you have to say. And not some softskill sit behind a desk job, put on full kit, weapon, ammo, and dismount through any city. I bet you’ll change your tune. AIRBORNE.

January 3, 2010 at 6:45 pm
(194) Michael J says:

I am a military member with 20 years of active service. I feel we are compensated well and I too feel it’s a honor to serve. The president’s pay recommendation is fair considering the current state of our economy–something he inherited.

January 4, 2010 at 7:54 am
(195) armywife says:

Hey Gary ! I don’t know what you think you are talking about that we shouldn’t get more because we are only high school educated ! My husband has done 5 count them one two three four five back to back tours and not earned even close to minimum wage !For an ex serviceman , you need to get it together ! Our doctors & dentists and other so called “professionals” are usually working as civilian contractors because they weren’t up to par with what society expects from them . Then lets talk about all of those benefits ! While my hubby is busy getting shot at it is a small piece of mind for him to have believing that the services support his family , when anyone that has been here knows the honest truth ! and it is a little hard to earn a college degree with that 4 year scholarship! I don’t know what service you come form but, the decision to raise in rank is NEVER up to the soldier , it is up to the board and unless you are a black woman you are stuck with where they put you in line! Once a soldier reaches his E-6 he is no longer capable of even being present at a promotions board , some higher up College educated guy is calling the shots and if you don’t fit in with what they are looking for , or if your MOS does not have available promotion slots you are stuck right where you are waiting for the day to come . Do I think that every soldier deserves a measley 3.9% raise HELL NO ! My husband and any other uneducated soldier that is out saving your hide every day for 15 years deserve a whole lot MORE! There are people , mostly the EDUCATED college officers that don’t deserve what they get and yet they get it for what reason other than they went to school for a few extra years , none , that is the only reason , as if school years had anything at all to do with the intelligence in a person .
Please tell me that there is not a single person out there who is naive enough to believe that .

January 4, 2010 at 2:22 pm
(196) ROB says:

I do not belive the President thinks much of the military, if he asked for the minimum pay raise.

January 4, 2010 at 5:54 pm
(197) CWO Jarhead says:

As an Active duty Marine, I do say our pay is adequate but, I will say congress should be forced to take the exact pay raise or not one at all. What gives those pigs the right for a pay raise? They are off more than they work. For you people on here that don’t agree with our pay raise, where is your anger towards congresses pay raise? Let’s stop voting these fools into office and vote-in people who care about this country. USMC

January 5, 2010 at 2:27 am
(198) Oddise says:

I feel that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but as a spouse of a wounded soilder who is also a purple heart recipient and my hero, there is no price out there that would compensate for His job. These soilders sacrafice more than anyone because of there love for their country. For a job that is life risking how can one decide what is to little or to much. Having such a close call with my husband, Barack, Bush, or no other president could ever pay enough. Life is priceless! May God bless all the families that have lost or nearly lost a loved one. Thank you.

January 6, 2010 at 6:34 pm
(199) Rodney says:

If there is NO INFLATION THEN WHY IS THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING including FOOD GOING UP IN PRICE?
an for those of you in the NO WAR AREA 1) why are you there if there is NO WAR 2) is your LIFE worth that little? when YOUR OWEN GOVERNMENT IS PAYING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME JOB AS YOU AN THEY GET $155,000.00 A YEAR AN YOU GET LESS THEN MINIMUM WAGE? ASK YOURSELF THAT THEN SAY A 2.9% PAY RAISE is a GREAT RAISE!!!

January 7, 2010 at 5:38 pm
(200) Sheryl says:

I am a military spouse and no I’m not a fat cow who sits at home and spends my husbands money. I was active duty for four years and now I work for the Army. I do not have a problem with the pay raise I know times are hard and we are lucky to have jobs. But it is sad that 80% of the militaries E4 and below are below the poverty line and qualify for WIC. And yes their spouse could work and give their paycheck to the daycare centers or hey maybe we should forbid them from having children till they’re at least an E5. We as a nation should feel compelled to support our military, these young men and women volunteer to keep us safe.

January 8, 2010 at 8:51 am
(201) D.L. Anderson says:

My husband is military and considering they are considered on call 24 hours a day 7 days a week and many times gone from there family in Afghan or Iraq pulling a minimum 12 -15 hour shift, I feel asking for bare minimun raise is bogus. I understand the economy is suffering but money is being wasted many many places – our guys/girls are out there fighting and they deserve to be compensated. The families that are doing without their loved one for so long, without complaint, deserve to be compenstated as well.

January 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm
(202) you says:

crap

January 8, 2010 at 12:39 pm
(203) kol says:

no info hello gary c’mon man

January 10, 2010 at 2:50 pm
(204) SOCAL says:

I am floor by all of the complaining about a small raise. The key word is RAISE. You are still making more than you did last year. I have served now for 10 yrs, in a combat zone, at a base, all over. I am very fairly compensated for what I do. The military is the ONLY organization that will take someone who barely graduated from high school, train them, and pay them while they are doing it. Plus free medical, dental, tutition assistance, pay for their meal and oh if you are married more money for housing. Tell me any civilian employer that will do that?

If you live in military housing (which we do) your electrical, sewer, garabage pick up, water and lawn maintaence are paid for. Plus you have the option of shopping at the base commisary where prices are often lower than supermarkets.

I work with junior enlisted and officers all day who make very poor decisions with money, and then they complain they don’t make enough.

January 11, 2010 at 9:19 am
(205) chris says:

to Drill Sargeant (Comment 60 & 61)

SFC w/ over 16 years in = 3,969.00
2LT maxes at 3,454.20 at three years in.

I don’t see the facts to go along with your complaint about Platoon Sargeants making less than new LTs.. what am I missing?

I believe we should appreciate any raise we get at all.

January 12, 2010 at 12:55 pm
(206) NCO by Choice says:

I have a few comments,
1. For the genuis who stated that people who are enlisted and complaining about money, I have a master’s degree and I choose to stay enlisted so that I can deal with the “youth of the Army” in a hands on manner and guide them to becoming a great leader and hopefully one day a great American in general.
2. I am honestly torn about how I feel in regards to the pay raise I absolutely agree that I am glad to have a job in such a harsh economic environment when my brother with a bachelor’s degree is forced to wait tables because no corporations are hiring at the moment. However, I also feel that if I am required to leave my newborn son for a year and possibly never come home or my spouse who is also military could have to leave as well and my son be raised by my mother I feel I should be paid more, if some of ya’ll would open up your eyes you would realize that while the job we do is fairly simple and secure compared to a civilian job it is also very time consuming and I feel my time with my family is worth more than 2.9%
3. For the Einstein history major, what does it matter if none of the previous presidents saw action at least they had the man parts to volunteer. They signed up for some sort of “military” outfit which meant there was the possibility to be called upon. By your definition a Doctor by trade who signs up for the Gaurd or reserves and then has to leave his booming practicer for a crappy military pay then fights and possibly dies for his country because he wasn’t active duty he doesn’t deserve the same respect REALLY? I have never been injured or died in a war zone so do I not deserve the same respect as someone who say stubbed their toe and got a purple heart ?(seen it happen)
4. I have nothing derogatory to say about the commander-in-chief its a hard job I would not want it and I could not say I would do it better because I have never been in his shoes I will however say, I did not vote for him.
I appreciate all your comments and feedback in my opinion diversity, defference of opinion and the right and ability to share that opinion is what makes this country America and why I fight to ensure you all are able to continue have those different opinions and the ability to share them.

January 12, 2010 at 8:01 pm
(207) Whatever says:

Our troops are being killed by muslims and our president is now one who does not support the troops.DONT even get me started.. He is clueless and Hilary was already president once, but our country would rather have a man in office no matter what his deal is, damn shame. Hope all who voted for him are so happy with your disappointment.. cheers

January 13, 2010 at 10:44 pm
(208) Also NCO by choice says:

I totally agree with response 195 (NCO by choice)..I could not have said it better. I am a Sergeant First Class in the Army and though I have the qualifications to be a Warrant Officer or Commissioned Officer I choose to remain enlisted for the same reasons. Our Army in my opinion is getting soft and its up to the more experienced NCO or Senior Leader to instill in our young troops, the importance of tradition (history), training and the list goes on and on.

Yes, the very first response from Melanie, look back at history and look to see how many of our Presidents have actually served. You will find that not all have, but that makes no difference. Some of our Presidents have led our country well and others have not. But, like NCO by Choice said, its not a job I would want. I respect anyone who has the (you know what) to run for office. You must remember the President also has high ranking military advisors that help him make decisions as far as our troops are concerned. So you cannot blame the President for everything. You must also remember, the system of checks and balances in our government. Its in place so that no one branch has too much power of the other. Even the President has to answer for his decisions..He cannot just snap his fingers and make things happen…

Our current Commander in Chief has only been in office just short of a year from the time I am writing this. You cannot expect him to fix things in one year that has been messed up over the course of almost 20 years or more.

As for a pay raise, I also agree with the Soldier who is or was on a E-4 and has not used his 36 months of GI bill benefits. I am thankful for even having a job and though I would like to get more money, I feel priviledged to even have a job. Though I like watching sports I think we need to re-think how much these athletes, actor/actresses and other entertainers are getting paid, while we have people in the streets right here at home dying ever day. We have children who have nothing to eat or any clothes or health care. So when I look at these things a raise for me is not necessary. I would much rather take that 2.9 percent and give it to someone who can use it more than I.

I can appreciate your concern about our men and women in arms..However with all due respect, if you are talking just to talk and have no clue, please say nothing.

I have been injured on deployment and let me tell you, its not exciting or heroic to get hurt..I have respect for those who were hurt or not. I have just as much respect for that Soldier who is punching the keys to make sure that our troops on the battlefield are getting paid as I have for the troop on the battlefield. Does it matter? Service is service. How many of you civilians out there want to trade with a Soldier who is out there on the battlefield for a day?

I could write a book on some of the ignorant responses I have read, but I will leave it like this. If you have no clue, say nothing, ask someone who does. You will look more intelligent by asking questions then spouting off at the mouth or in this case on the keyboard.

SFC, US Army..

January 13, 2010 at 10:54 pm
(209) Also NCO by Choice says:

SGT_Fisher82ND, in response to you…I agree with everything you said, except for your last line..You must remember, though your the Soldier on the battlefield kicking in doors and clearing buildings, which I know the feeling..its also that Soldier behind that desk, wether in a forward or rear status, they are making sure your pay and allowances are straight. Its that Soldier who makes sure your NCOER or OER is submitted on time. Its that Soldier who is cutting your orders to make sure your promotion is good…You could very well just be refering to the ingnorant civilian responses that are on here. Just wanted to put some perspective on the what is call desk jockey Soldier. We all support each other and that is what makes our Army the greatest in the world.

Thank you for your service there Sergeant…Continue to do great things…

SFC, US Army ( I served with the 18th SSG from Bragg in Iraq, back on 2004-2006) AIRBORNE!!!!NCO’s Lead the way!!!

January 13, 2010 at 11:03 pm
(210) Also NCO by Choice says:

HN(FMF)KING,

I am in the Army, Sergeant First Class (Gunnery Sergeant for the Marines). I tink you hit it right on the nose.. To much complaining about the raise= not enough work to defend our country. Good job…

SFC, US Army

January 15, 2010 at 2:30 pm
(211) Sarge says:

LC (54), you said it best, sir. However, if you try to impart the values of yesteryear to the troops, it’ll probably come across as so much “wind” from the brass. Please pass this on to your BN SGM so that he can filter these values down throughout the companys’ NCODP. That’s where the rubber will meet the road; these issues, via your NCO Corps, will ultimately be embraced by the troops. It can be a laborious process, but, given good NCOs, it’ll work, sir!

January 17, 2010 at 6:39 pm
(212) daglove21 says:

I wish ppl would stop criticizing obama, everyone seems to think that he can snap his fingers and everything will be ok. It took years to miss this economy up and its prolly gonna take longer to fix it. And real soldiers dont join the military for the money!

January 17, 2010 at 10:03 pm
(213) Sarge says:

Good points, Dag 21. In spite of all the fingers that are pointed at everyone and everything…The Prez, Congress, Wall Street, Banks, etc, etc, the root cause of the rotten economy, I feel, is the American consumer. In effect, we took the bait, we swallowed the bait, and now we have to puke it up.

Through our reckless spending habits of the past, we have all but allowed the “bad guys” to wreck havoc upon us. Thanks for the realistic reminder that, despite the finger-pointing, we are our worse economic enemy.

January 19, 2010 at 12:50 pm
(214) George says:

I have read most of this letters about a raise in our monthly pay increses. I am a 100% disabile Vietnam veteran. I haven’t seen an increase yet.
I call the Roanoke Va office and the only answer I got was “You ain’t getting one”!!!!!
Do you have to be active in “A War”, “Disabled from a different war or what????
If anyone can help me with this answer, I would greatlty appreciate it!!!!!!
Sinerely
100% Disabiled

January 21, 2010 at 6:47 pm
(215) Fredo says:

I too, am in the military and happy with what i get paid, i’m actually pretty excited for February 1st, i get a pay raise. Thanks Mr. President.

January 22, 2010 at 2:44 pm
(216) Geneva says:

No military = No country.

January 26, 2010 at 12:57 am
(217) Travis says:

In my civilian job, I took a 5% pay cut last year, and a 0% raise this year (and many in my company were laid off). Numerous benefits in my job were cut. I empathize with everyone who is disappointed with the marginal pay raises, but private employment is feeling the sting also.

I hope the economy gets better in 2010 for everyone’s sake.

January 29, 2010 at 2:20 pm
(218) Britt says:

First off, stop blaiming the man who inherited the debt that the US has accumulated over time. Everyone should be grateful to see an increase at all. When looking at the payscale it gives you an estimate of what you will make over the course of about 20yrs w/o a yearly increase. Apparently, those who joined with that pay scale in view were content with it at the time and should be regardless. The military offers some of the best benefits available but some people don’t seem to take that into consideration. Damn near everything is free to those on active duty, meaning they take care of the necessities while you basically can blow your earnings on whatever.

FYI…..i did my research before enlisting and i now know what i’m getting myself into. If i never receive a yearly precentage increase i can live with it simply because i know with promotions and time served i can come up (its called doing your job).

Before people start playing the blame game and being judgmental analyze yourself. Last i checked no one was perfect and we all deserve a chance. I hope i never become so hateful towards others like some of the people in the world today. Pres. Obama you have my support and all i ask you to do is try (not only for the military but also for those who we actually serve for).

January 31, 2010 at 5:02 am
(219) Ben says:

I’m active duity Air Force and I love raises but I dont need one when my friends and family still can’t get jobs and are being layed off because of the economy. No one should worry about this. instead of being on your computer talking crap to one another, go do some good and help some one in US, regardless if you think they deseve it or not. We dont take care of our own enough.

February 3, 2010 at 8:28 pm
(220) Jared says:

I think this is a fair raise considering our country is BROKE…and cannot pay it’s bills or interest to other countries it’s borrowed copious amounts of money from.

February 5, 2010 at 2:18 am
(221) A private says:

It is NOT about the money. Any pay raise is fair. Stop whining. Especially if you are not in. Obama has not served in our military but so what. He’s doing his best. I am a soldier and I don’t love it all the time… But I tell you what. The military is the only job that can take a struggling father of 9 kids and a wife and house them in 2 townhomes with 9 bedrooms total and charge them only 900 a month. I’ve seen it happen! Benifits while you’re in are great. Benefits when you get out are great. So PLEASE learn to appreciate things. If anyone joined the military thinking they were going to be rich overnight has a problem anyways!

February 10, 2010 at 2:01 pm
(222) Bonnie Cabell says:

Thank you for your Service! You get everything you deserve and more

February 14, 2010 at 3:31 pm
(223) Private says:

I for on think the pay raise was not fair… but wasn’t surprised. Our President doesn’t have any clue about the military why would he care about how much they get paid he doesn’t know the stuff that our soldiers have to do for us. He doesn’t know anything but him putting his name out there and manipulating people into thinking he has all these great ideas. He made promises to people so he would get there votes but he didn’t know the first thing on accomplishing them. Don’t make a promise to people on saying the first of January while i’m in office were going to start to take troops out of Iraq… It’s not that easy! But of course he said those promises so he can get people’s votes! He has no clue about the war or anything military! And as american citizens how can you go against man who fought for our country and was a prison of war for our country for someone who has no clue about military or war and doesn’t even PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART TO PLEDGE TO THE FLAG!HOW DISRESPECTFUL! Don’t you think we need someone with military experience especially with being in a war for a decade now! Military people go through so much for us and they are not paid enough for the things they go through at all! I don’t know any cilivians have to go to war risking there lives and leaving there familys for months sometimes a year at a time! There are risking there lives for all of us and they deserve much more! And to let you guys know I’m not trying to bash our president I’m so saying I think we should’ve had a president with more experience and knowlege of the military and respect for our country!

February 16, 2010 at 7:17 pm
(224) Richard says:

I’ve read many of the posts listed above, from both military and non-military members, and I thought I would chime in my two cents. By the way, I am active duty navy, and I was prior service Army and I have no issue whatsoever with the pay increase. Like any normal American if I could get paid more I would take it but to be honest I don’t really care too much about my pay (and yes I have a wife and child to support) because it is on time and almost always right.

Honestly though, to the military service members on here who have chimed in with complaints all I have to say is this; SOLDIER, SHUT UP AND SOLDIER!!!

Not one person held a gun to our heads or forced us to enlist as has been the case in the past. I’m only 28 years old but I agree with the older service members who say that the current military is sissified. I go to work everyday and I am disgusted with the lack of discipline, physical condition, and general bad attitude each and everyday. Be glad that you get an automatic pay check for showing up instead of a performance based salary, a good number of people wouldn’t get paid if that was the case.

As for people complaining about the President all I have to say is this. You CANNOT please everyone and will please no one if you try. Bush had policies that I agreed with and some I didn’t. The same holds true with our current President. I think both Presidents have had a hell of a time during both of their terms, and while I may think things would be better if done differently, I didn’t step forward to attempt to get the job, they did. And I would be willing to bet that many of the people who are complaining about him now were the ones who voted for him and allowed him to get into office.

For non-service members all I can say is that it is your right to complain. There is an old saying that sums it up rather well. I do not remember who said it, but it goes like this, ” While I may not agree with the drivel spewing from your mouth, I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it.”

And when you come down to it that is what the military is, the line of defense between our country and it’s people and war’s devestation.

For military spouses, I honestly think that you have the most difficult job of all, having to see your beloved go off for months or years at a time, wondering if every time the phone rings, or everytime a car pulls into the drive if it will be the news that your husband or wife has fallen. So, at least from me, feel free to comment all you like. I more than think that you have earned the right.

February 17, 2010 at 4:49 am
(225) A Soldier says:

HOOAH!!

February 17, 2010 at 8:43 am
(226) Delley says:

What I find interesting and what the public doesn’t get to see is that most contractors from US and British companies in Iraq are making $100-150 an hour (not a day — an HOUR and then getting paid additional for overtime (which everyone works 60-72 hour per week in Iraq and Afghanistan) LOGCAP doesn’t pay the workers this amount, but most of their workers are 3d Country Nationals (India, etc – who are paid very poorly, but LOGCAP’s management and oversight fees are still very steep. Local National Iraqi’s contracting with the US make on average the US minimum wage rate. LOG CAP US Citizen Contractors are still paid nearly double the US rate. In addition, all of us are not paying taxes on this income. In short we are the part that is being paid out to increase the deficit and then exempt from paying the taxes to bring tax revenues back to America. The contracting business in Iraq and Afghanistan is unusually inflated, but I am not certain why it would be. Wouldn’t most Americans if they knew they could make $200-400K annually with meals and lodging (albeit not lush lodging) included work for 1-2 years in one of these places? I’m interested to hear if this would solve some unemployment and push prices down for the contracts in both of these operations if more of the public knew the wage rates paid here.

February 17, 2010 at 12:26 pm
(227) Chuck says:

To all those that say Obama is NOT qualified to be president because he has never served in the military……………

I served 19 months in Viet Nam and am 70% disabled………..

I will accept the idea that he is not qualified because of lack of military experience when I learn which of you critisizers are qualified to judge the president based on your own experience of serving AS PRESIDENT.

I know you all cannot be former presidents, so please identify yourselves so I know which of you to pay ANY thought to.

So IF you are not a former Military-President, please refrain from spreading your ignorance.

By the way, although I do have 55 months active duty, I certainly do not think I am qualified to be President.

February 23, 2010 at 10:54 am
(228) MSG D says:

I am retired 28 years from the U.S. Army and have served under MANY presidents (Republican and Democrat) that did not serve in the military. It really does not make a difference.
I too abhor the labels of Socialist to our present president that inherited quite a mess. Plus wonder how many of the PARTY OF NO will be voted back into office. We are faced with a government that is PARALIZED by the PARTY OF NO more so than the people that have been awaiting improvements on the inherited mess.

February 25, 2010 at 8:46 am
(229) Richard says:

Delley, you raise some very good points about working overseas as a contractor. But I don’t think the majority of American people would take that path. I have talked to many people who are civilians and who have the skills to work as a contractor over there and they will not do it, even though they are unemployed and going into the hole. Mainly I think it is due to the fact that contractors in the past have been abducted and killed, but I also think that to a much lesser degree that people don’t want to take control of their lives and make things better. Instead they want to wait around for someone else to make it better for them. Frustrating and annoying that people would rather lose everything while waiting around for someone else to magically wave their magic wand and make things turn into utopia!

And I think too that many people have gotten spoiled by getting an unemployment check and not working and so they try to ride it out for as long as they can. I love my country and I will fight to defend her, but I will admit that some of it’s citizens lack of work ethic, drive, ambition, and just getting up and doing something with their lives is somewhat disappointing.

February 25, 2010 at 11:18 pm
(230) Retired for medical reasons says:

I think it is funny people talk about Obama. Since in office the gas prices have not been close to the 4.00 to 5.00 dollar range. Now that’s food for thought. Any pay increase is good. I live on medical retirement butdidnt receive one. While bush was in office it took me 6+ months to get it. Had to call the higher ups to get it. Then took another few months. Plus couldn’t get unemployment because I was a retired soldier. All during the bush years. Anyone can talk about the ups and downs of any president but it’s all about how it concerns them. Not the people as a whole. I’m happy gas prices are down, military are getting raises, and my family is safe. If the country worried about it’s own and stopped sending work over seas then it will get better. Thanks mr bush.

March 1, 2010 at 11:06 pm
(231) Soldier says:

I for one, being in the military for 12 years now, definitely appriciate what the President has done. I for one, feel that we are paid very well for serving, voluntarily, for this great nation. To join the military is a choice one makes, not to become wealthy, but to fulfill a sense of participating in a tradition that has kept this country free since its independence.

March 1, 2010 at 11:12 pm
(232) Soldier says:

And another note, can anyone add to the list all the Presidents that havent served in the military? Knocking Obama on his non military career is funny. Thats why he has advisors. There is no way any person in an organation, yet alone President, can have his eyes and hands on everything. The Genarals of all the branches are the ones giving him the numbers. Obama just decides to pass or accept the proposal. Point fingers where they should be pointed if you are upset.

March 2, 2010 at 12:07 am
(233) SSgt Steve says:

All the hate. The disrespect. …..the whining.

Look: We are all Americans. We all have our opinions. Some have served in the military, while most have not. I understand this. From where you stand as compared to someone else things may look different. But what happened to stating what you believe without blasting those who believe differently than you? What does it accomplish when you bring hate to the table? State your point. Speak your mind. But try to do so with some dignity.

I will be 25 this month. I just recently sewed on SSgt (E5) in the Air Force (what a privilege!). I am young… I am a baby some would say. But I am a member of the United States Air Force and I am DAMN proud of it. And I am damn proud of any man or woman who has served this great nation in ANY branch, for any length of time. But I tell you what, if you are a service member for all the wrong reasons then I truly hope you find your way, because most of the “babies” my age are in this fight for themselves. This needs to change. We are a team fighting for freedom, pure and simple.

If you are in, you are there to SERVE.

As for the pay: Most people don’t know the value of a dollar, aren’t good with money, and don’t realize what they have before they beg for more. Sure, I have an opinion. Sure, I’d love to get paid more. Sure, I think the space of income between a 20 year enlisted member and a 4 year officer is wrong. But everything we do is a choice! I am an E5. My wife and my 5 month old son are taken care of. We are happy. Not rich, but happy. If I want to make more money I have the choice of finishing the last year of my degree and becoming an officer. Or I could get out? Or I could continue to SERVE! Trust me, I aint in for the money…

But oh as an NCO I see the young men and women who need to be led more than ever! I can see First Sergeant in my future one day (a goal of mine). You couldn’t pay me Colonel pay to get me out of my enlistment, even once I finish my degree. Not to say being an officer is a bad thing. I mean no disrespect. But I want to be in the ranks with the young men and women, and say, “I’ve been there, now let’s do this!”

In short since I’ve rambled: Stand up for what you believe in. FIGHT for what you stand for. But have some damn respect, especially if you’re in the military and are representing us on a public forum. Have honor in what you do. People die for this country. You could. I could.

And to your retired service men/women of all ranks, I salute you! I’ll do my best to hold the fort in your absense. God bless!

March 2, 2010 at 7:09 pm
(234) SSgt Steve says:

One more thing:

And to whomever said military wive’s don’t know what service/sacrifice is all about… go ahead and type that on a forum. Go right ahead. But why don’t you get with 20 marine wives who haven’t seen their husbands in months and don’t know if they’re safe or not, and tell them they don’t know about sacrifice to their faces. Let’s see if you survive. I thought that was downright disrespectful of you to say, so here I am. And I believe it came from a military member too. Hopefully I misunderstood you. But it sounded pretty jacked up to me.

-Steve

March 3, 2010 at 4:21 pm
(235) Ryan says:

I wouldn’t worry about the wife comment. Jaime probably just got burned by his own slovenly Army wife. I tend to write people off who don’t know how to use spell check anyway.

March 3, 2010 at 6:58 pm
(236) Military spouse says:

The army messes its own people up. They are tools.

March 4, 2010 at 5:15 pm
(237) Matt says:

Well I just got back from iraq about 2 months ago… living in germany… No money in the world could bring back what serving has cost me… It broke up my family. divorced now, I barly see my kids but a couple weekends a year since I’m stationed in germany. all that concidered, I cant say how happy I would have been to just slip in a .5% pay increase… that as so many soldiers have said is not what brought me here. and even through all the hardships I face, I can’t think of a better place to be… I’m proud of what I do and all the good folks around me. While there are some quacks in the army, I can tell you when the time comes I wouldnt want anyone else out there standing with me in the fight than a trained American soldier.

March 5, 2010 at 2:16 pm
(238) SSgt Steve says:

I’m sorry to hear that Matt. That is probably my least favorite thing about the military, that it breaks up so many families.

And enjoy Germany! I was there for 3 years and have been stateside for nearly a year now. I miss Europe BIG time, but it’s nice being home also.

Thanks for your service!

March 8, 2010 at 7:45 pm
(239) daniel stevens says:

ok ppl listen this i am in the army ok and one yes i wish we got paid better, but the sad truth is there is no amount of money worth our lives. We can bitch about it though cuz no one force us to join we didnt it on our on free will to fight for our country our love ones. Well ok sum did it for college and to stay out of trouable lol. so they can bitch the only problem i have with obama is that he must not know his histroy the number one thing that pulled us out of the great depression was the wpa and i think it would help this time as well but it cant be easy to lead a country and it cant b easy to lead a war as a civilian espically when it wasnt strat bye u and if he is muslim so what. he an american the ppl who complaining about that aint any better the the kkk or other raciest groups get over ur selfs ok

March 8, 2010 at 7:50 pm
(240) Spba4d says:

Military retired since 1988. I have seen it all from serving to also trying to live and work in a civilian setting. Both are difficult in these days for sure.
My son, 36, lost his home, job, and the economy is a killer to all families right now. My son is talking to a recruiter on Wed. He said he wants a job of service. I said try the military since you gain great pride, and the military takes care of it’s own. He has no insurance of any kind, went bankrupt as well. He will be in the streets with his family in about 2 months. Since he is 36, the Army is the only one considering him at this time. If they get him, they will be taking in a high caliber individual for sure!

The military life is a great one, if you give it your all, and go in for the right reasons. Our President of the United States in 2010 is a great man, and we all must honor and respect him as he tries to come to the aide of all in different parts of the country and needs.
Pray for our country, the men and women serving and their families, as they are thankful for a roof over their famlies heads when the go to war for all of us. Pray now for my son and his family, please.
Yes, a decent raise or even one at all is welcomed to the military and their familes. But, if it doesn’t happen, it is understood by most enlisted people. It is what it is……
for now.

March 9, 2010 at 12:49 am
(241) Cogent1 says:

If you go to the military to protect and defend our country, for personal reasons, to enjoy the lifetime of benefits that the military provides than bravo and thank you very much. If you go into the military to make a good wage then you are in the wrong business. You should go to work for Blackwater or KBR. or some other mercenary army. That is all that I have to say about that.

March 11, 2010 at 3:22 pm
(242) Casey says:

Like many of the previous people who have left comments, I am currently serving this great nation. I feel that I would rather keep the medical benifits our Commander in Chief spoke of taking away, than have a pay increase, no matter how big or small. I know that if I were ever wounded in combat, I wouldn’t want to pay for my medical bills. I am in the only branch that tests for its rank after E-4, so whatever rank they achieve after that is well earned (in most cases).

In all, I don’t need a pay increase, I need my medical benifits.

March 12, 2010 at 2:33 pm
(243) michael says:

To all you 231 that commented on here you all have good points , and bad ones , but to all the ones that are in the MILITARY thank you for what you do day in and day out, and to your families, you are the life line of this country, if it be bad or good you will always be ready and you all make me PROUD say that I do live in the USA,and WE all do have FREEDOM OF SPEECH BECOUSE OF YOU ALL SEVEING THIS COUNTRY, for some money is everything and others it is the pride of doing the job itself, to me money is nice to have BUT pride is something no one can ever take away from you, my wife does have family over there so I do understand somewhat, why they are seveing , and I am very proud of them as I am all that are in the Military and we all need to just look out for each other and do our part as much as we can do we all are in this , we all feel the pains some how in some form, its life its not made to be eazy, Im thinking and looking into working oversea,s in IRAQ does that make me a bad person, becouse I DO want to give back to our TROOPS, and do my part aswell and yes I am thinking of going to work for KBR the way I look at it is the money is good , and it can help alot of people out here back in the states, me and my wife would like to put some of that money to work back in the states after all, we all are spliting the tax bill for this war , why not put it back to work where it could do some people good,AIN”T that why you all are over there so we all can be free and you yourself as a home to come back to and your familys and if that what it takes to make it happen oh well , and if GOD CALLS ME HOME while trying then let that be that at least I,ll be in Great company

March 13, 2010 at 9:52 am
(244) doug johnson usaf says:

stop complaining, if you don’t want to serve then get out, at least you got a raise, and have a future and and job, no one makes you do it but yourself, go to wal mart, if you dont like it, and now, obama is doing the same thing bush did, and a lot of our leaders in dc have never served, so that excuse is an old one, maybe we could bring sorry bush, chenny, back, and give millions to kbr, and haliburton, for them to do the same job our military does, now that is a slap in the face, hope they both rot in hell……………

March 14, 2010 at 10:17 am
(245) Gail says:

I am a person that served my country and how dare anyone who serves this country belittle our Commander and Chief. That in itself questions your reasons to serve this great nation. Come on I would like to see you all leave the military with the benefits you get while serving and come to the real world and demand more and watch how quick your greedy and bitter selves would remain employed. Lets be real what the military provide some of you is better than you had it in your entire life. FREE MEALS, FREE AND REDUCED TRAVEL, SEPARATE RATIONS IF LIVING OFF POST TO BUY FOOD, BAH TO HELP PAY HOUSING EXPENSES IF LIVING OFF POST WITH OR WITHOUT DEPENDENTS, MONIES TO PURCHASE UNIFORMS AND BOOTS,FREE EDUCATION, IF YOU RETIRE YOU GET A RETIREMENT CHECK WITHOUT PUTTING ONE DIME INTO A RETIREMENT ACCOUNT, FREE ON POST HOUSING, MEDICAL, DENTAL, SOME TYPE OF PAY RAISE PERCENTAGE EVERY YEAR. So for the compainers that the president is a liar and did not do anything for you monetarily than I suggest you get a job in the real world and walk in to your bosses office and demand everything you get now and than end it with and don’t give a stinking 3.4 or 3.9% pay raise I need more and see what job you won’t keep or a job you won’t get. It amazes many how so many can be so self rightous and for many in the military just barely having a high school education and than only do the bare minimum to stay in while they are there. So stop complaining and be thankful during these times you get what you get because many tax payers do not believe you should get what you get when they do not receive it. And just in case you and any of the other complainers forgot, the military is all volunteer. No one made you sign up and when your enlistment is up feel free not to re-enlist if its all about you and not service to your country. If your service is not selfless and is more selfisness good by and good luck to you in the real world, because I would love some FREE ON POST HOUSING, OR FREE BARRACKS to keep the little money I do have not having to pay rent, gas, electric, and water. So when you are being compensated the way you are you have no room to complain so shut up or agan go do better. I swear the nerve of some of you. I can name five other occupations just as critical as yours and you sign up for it just as well but only get a paycheck and nothing more.

July 5, 2011 at 8:24 pm
(246) Joy says:

Well Gail, You get most of those things (free meals, free housing, free medical, free everything) in prison, too, but you don’t have to work for them. I completely agree–it is an honor to serve our country, but let’s be real, the debt ceiling has inflation at the highest it’s ever been. I’m not sure what soldiers get paid for a year long deployment in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I know how much the base pay is for enlisted, less than $20,000 per year. If soldiers were paid by the hour for a tour like this they would make much more, based on the minimum wage. $6.25 X 24 hrs. per day (because they never know when they will be called to arms) multiply this times a 365 day deployment and you have almost $55,000 a year! How much do you make? Now I realize that these are mostly young boys with little or no education, that couldn’t possibly make $20,000 in a year otherwise, but when I watch a documentary on the mental, physical, and emotional toll these tours inflict on these young soldiers, I wonder what amount of money I would sell my arm for, or my leg, or my mobility? I don’t think you can put a price on that.
As for Obama, he will never understand the anguish, distress, pride, courage, duty, commitment, honor, selflessness, fear, pain, or any of the other feelings our troops have in the line of duty. He can’t. Because he’s never been in their shoes. Neither have I or many others. That’s why I don’t believe someone who’s never endured the hardship of a soldier should give them orders. It’s not just Obama, we’ve had many presidents that have not served in the military. I wouldn’t take advice on how to raise my children from someone with no kids; I wouldn’t hire a tour guide that had never hiked in mountains; I wouldn’t take lessons on skydiving from someone who had never jumped; I think the president (any and all) should serve in the military before they are allowed to have the honor of Commander and Chief!

March 21, 2010 at 10:18 pm
(247) saddie says:

I THINK SOME PEOPLE ARE STUPET THERE IS NO PRICE ON SERVING OUR COUNTRY ITS AN HONOR TO DO IT EVEN IF YOU DONT GET PAID TO PROTECT THE LAND THAT IS FREE AND FOR ALL OUR AMERICAN TO HAVE THE CHOICE OF WHAT LIFE THEY WANT TO LIVE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO EACH PRESIDENT HAS GAINED MY TOTAL RESPECT WHY CAUES THEY DID THEIR JOB THATS WHY AMERICA IS STILL HERE

March 22, 2010 at 7:03 am
(248) Ryan says:

Look, it isn’t that difficult. If you don’t like the pay you’d make in the military then don’t join. Complaining about whether or not the pay raise is acceptable solves nothing. If you wanna make a ton of money, cash in your hands then don’t join! You will never make a lot of money in any branch, ever. But even though you don’t make a lot, you get free rent, free food and COLA if you’re in an area with higher cost of living.

Oh and a long time ago someone named Beka said that Washington was the only President to see “Action” and that they were a history major… I’m gonna go ahead and call bull shit on both your claim of President’s being in action and being a history major. Google Battle of New Orleans, Old Hickory, War of 1812, First Seminole War and actually do some research before opening your dick holster.

March 25, 2010 at 12:26 pm
(249) bill says:

i thank you are all stuped people for bieng so dum as to thank anybudy cares what you thought in the first place. i pay taxis in this countrie just the same as you and i have a rite to say whutever i want too anytime i want too if you dont like yure jobs quite and go out find yourself anothor one…

March 30, 2010 at 3:27 pm
(250) Jerry Jay says:

We enlisted need larger raises to make it in this world, you officers dont complain cause you make out like bandits.. BAH and Base Pay. Get real not even comparable

April 19, 2010 at 1:07 pm
(251) Sgt Stevo says:

We work in a free society where someone offers money to another for a certain set of skills/education/service. I joined knowing I was ‘serving my country’. They call it serving your country because its a service, not a lottery. In our free society we can choose to stay in or get out, so if a person is not satisfied with the pay, get out and do something else. Its not impossible. As for pay raises, the average 18 year old with a GED or high school diploma has very little to offer in terms of personal experience or education. I think the money is good as I’m an infantry sergeant in 3rd ID.

April 21, 2010 at 5:31 pm
(252) johnsignal13 says:

Im amazed , i dont know how too put it in words all i can say im proud of the men and women of the armed services of America. Their loyalty and support and courage and unwavering devotion is miraculous. That’s as good as i can do. Except for the feeling they leave me with.

April 25, 2010 at 6:29 pm
(253) Marines. And LOVE IT. says:

I am a United States Marine. I fight for this country and most of what i see is bitching. If the people dont like the president and the congress or senate, get rid of them. No i dont mean scratch it all and start over but remember…you all elected every official that dictates our laws and pay raises. If the people of this great nation are not satisfied then we have the power 2 change that. I am very pleased with any pay raise at all. My only advice is for everyone 2 quit bitching and do something about it if you dont like it. That was the whole purpose of democracy. People can slander others all day long if thats how they feel but it doesnt accomplish anything. Get off your lazy asses (as most Americans have become) and change the things you dont like. and a personal opinion…if you are one of the people that does not vote but complains about the administration…SHUT THE FUCK UP. you didnt voice your opinion when you had the chance, dont voice it now. wait 4 years, then voice your opinion.

May 19, 2010 at 9:50 pm
(254) Marty says:

There many who complaint about the pay raise, but the government is spending money on barracks, education assistance,housing, moving soldiers around and Oh Ya, fighting a war. Everyone is scream no higher taxes,but all this cost money. Personal as a Vet who has lived in the barrack a great deal of funds need to go into repairs and maintenance. Shout out to all who service!!!

May 30, 2010 at 7:41 pm
(255) Andy says:

I did some research on this when looking into 2011 pay rises and it looks like next year we will only get a 1.9% raise. As discussed, http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2010/05/2010-2011-military-pay-chart.html , this raise is 2 percent lower than the 2010 military pay increase and is the smallest increase since the draft ended in 1973

May 30, 2010 at 7:42 pm
(256) Andy says:

I did some research on this when looking into 2011 pay rises and it looks like next year we will only get a 1.9% raise. As discussed, this raise is 2 percent lower than the 2010 military pay increase and is the smallest increase since the draft ended in 1973

June 1, 2010 at 5:39 pm
(257) Shawn says:

Yeah, I think it is funny a man who never served a day in the military can think such a pay increase is generous. This shows the lack of respect he has for our military, and a disregaurd he has for our nation in general. I wonder how a man who barely lived his life on American soil, and possibly isn’t even a citizen can have much to say on American policy, let alone be president.

June 1, 2010 at 5:57 pm
(258) SSgt Air Force says:

I find it intolerable that this man who never served in the US military, spent more time on overseas soil than American, and possibly isn’t even a US citizen finds such a pay increase is generous. I wonder how he can think he is capable of coming to such a conclusion, let alone I wonder even more how he feels he is competent enough to run this nation. He should have kept with being a community organizer that is what comes natural to him, which is complain about how things are going and not give a relevant solution to the problem.

This man is self absorbed and detrimental to our very way of life. It is evident that he has no intention in embracing the constitution, but rather convolutes it every chance he gets. He has exerted his own ideologies on the American people, without the support of the people. It is hard to tell where his allegiance lies when it comes to the war on terrorism. He wishes for a civilian security force which has the same capabilities of our military, hmm who does that sound like.

June 3, 2010 at 9:45 pm
(259) deploying soldier says:

I think that it is funny that so many people get bent out of shape about the pay raises. If people are in the military for the money, they need to find themselves and get a new career. It isn’t about the money people, we serve because we actually care. I don’t really agree with the person in charge of our country and our military at this particular juncture, but on the other hand of money, people are stupid with it. How many soldiers do you know that have a negative net worth. They take that money that is tax free that they don’t have anyway to spend oversea’s and blow it when they come home. There are a few that invest it, no matter how they do, but for the most part they throw it away. I am okay with a small raise, because I live within my means. I still make enough money to pay all my bills, raise a family, have a little fun, and invest in my own retirement, even though I have one building thanks to the service. Take the money and put it back into education and teach kids these days about money and how to use it for good and to not be wasteful with it.

July 12, 2011 at 8:32 am
(260) 4341 USMC says:

Couldn’t agree more.

June 24, 2010 at 3:06 pm
(261) N/A says:

Thanks for the minimum proposal on the pay raise. Even more so, thanks for re-enacting a regulation stating that Married soldiers receiving BAS must now pay for food while staying in the field. BAS offsets the cost of food for my family, not for me. If you want to play that game, allow my family to eat at the DFAC, or let me keep my food allowance. I’ll need that 2.9% now to go towards food for my household. Good game, Sir.

June 30, 2010 at 4:03 am
(262) celticangel says:

I believe the military should get better pay raises. My Ex was in the military and we struggled a lot. Yes, we did get the housing allowance but still had to pay more to live in a decent area. The base houseing has waiting list, that at some bases, are years before you can move on the base. But, I also believe that any raise is better than none, look at our disabled and seniors, they got nothing for all their years of work and all they paid in.

July 3, 2010 at 10:38 am
(263) Mary says:

I’ve just read most of these posts, and guess what? I am SICK and TIRED of you all defending Obummer!! You say that he’s only been in Office for over a year and that it takes time to “fix” what was wrong with our country (does that include stripping our freedoms AND our pockets??!!). Well, you know what? HE’S MAKING IT WORSE by the DAY!!!!!! He’s NOT making it better, he’s systematically, purposely AND willfully destroying our great nation from the inside out. He’s shoved universal health care down our throats (it WILL be that way, it’s coming) when we screamed NO, he’s continued throwing money we don’t even HAVE out the window (also giving other countries big $$ that could and SHOULD go to our military instead), he’s playing us all against each other, he’s taking our freedoms away one by one (the ones YOU, our military, work to keep for us!), and next year ALL of us will have much LESS $$ in our own pockets because he wants to break us (and we’ll have even less jobs, too); I could go on, but the list is TOO long. All of you here that are defending him are uninformed to the max…and BLIND as bats (but even bats have better senses). You’ve swallowed all the crap that he, Pelosi, Reid, etc. have dished out…just like a fish swallows a hook (and gets fried in the pan for it). If you all represent the majority of our great nation’s thinking, we are certainly in BIG BIG trouble. Dear Lord, help us. Military Mom

July 22, 2010 at 5:43 pm
(264) Big Casino says:

America is the land of opprotunity. The Military is a chance for poor kid to make something of him/herself and be a part of something great..for that Im greatful. President and the Government have no bearing on that. Oh and by the way this is capitalism no socialism, we are all free agents here and the money is waiting to be made..How Much are you worth?

August 11, 2010 at 5:58 pm
(265) Lanette says:

I was an active duty military spouse for over 20 years and I’ve worked in both the government and private sectors. What our military members do and give up is precious. I value the increase because I have the security of a GREAT medical plan in Tricare Prime – very few corporate positions provide equal coverage especially when you consider prescription drug coverage, commissary and exchange benefits, while my spouse was active duty, there was always a roof over our heads and in retirement, the benefit pay increases. Beleive it or not, many private sector jobs, especially those who annuitize their pension plans do not provide for cost of living increases or medical insurance (my mother works for the county of san diego and pays over $700/mo for health insurance and there are still prescription and doctor visit co-pays). Due to the economy, I haven’t received a raise in three years! Sometimes its not about how much you earn but how much you keep. 2.9% is very good in the current economy.

September 1, 2010 at 4:48 pm
(266) CW Officer says:

Since the beginning of our military, pay has been an issue. I would love to see a national military of any sort that would willingly fight on FOREIGN soil for free. You don’t get something for nothing. Soldiers fight for their family, homes, or the right to be a member of this great country for free, and not many other reasons. Nothing is free. Sure, I volunteered. I volunteered to defend our nation against all enemies foreign and domestic, but I expected a decent paycheck, free healthcare for me and my family, a decent place to live, and a opportunity to advance. I received most of these things we I first enlisted, and now our socialist administration is slowly taking them away. Our pay is below our civilian counterparts. Our healthcare costs continue to rise. Housing on my post is outdated and your home is considered to be air conditioned at 85 degrees in the summer. I provide a service to this country. Pay me at least as much as my civilian counterparts. Our government should not ask of us anything they would not want themselves. We can’t pass our own pay raises.

September 9, 2010 at 10:41 am
(267) jb says:

i served in the military. base pay is just that…base… the starting off point.. when added to per deium ,rats, sep pay.. military do make a very good payday..

October 4, 2010 at 8:38 am
(268) Low says:

First off if you joined the military you definitely didnt join for the money so suck it up and do the job…currentyly in Laghman Province Afghanistan OEF 2010

November 20, 2010 at 7:27 am
(269) Elizabeth says:

As a single mother of a special needs child in the military I am very thankful to have the opportunity to serve. With the socialized healthcare that we receive I haven’t had to pay one dime for the numerous operations my child has had to have over the last 4 yrs (unlike Champas’ 60%). I’m also eternally indebted for the FREE schooling I’ve received over the years while on active duty (not the 75% it used to be). Yes, we all like to have more money…who would turn that down? If I never get another pay raise other than promotions again I’d be totally satisfied. I think I’ve been compensated quite well during my time served.
One more thing…my mother’s employer gives pay raises based on performance. In other words, you are paid what THEY believe you are worth. Perhaps that will sit better with the majority of complainers. I guarantee there would be many disappointed servicemen/women.

January 3, 2011 at 5:30 pm
(270) S O S says:

HOW MUCH DOES A KBR RECRUITER GET PAID?
WHAT TYPE OF KBR OFFICE JOBS ARE AVAILABLE, AND HOW MUCH DO THEY PAY? WHICH MILITARY BRANCH IS BETTER TO ENROLL IN AND WHY?

March 22, 2011 at 1:28 am
(271) Dan says:

I put 4 years in the Army, got out, and have worked several jobs. Right now, due to the economy, I am uemployed, so I am using my GI Bill to go back to school(finally- worked in sales, but need a Bachelor’s to get into management) One thing I noticed in the civilian world- you have rent-$8400+ per year, you have health insurance- $1600+ per year(not counting deductibles and copays-another $400+), you have dental insurance and vision insurance-$600+ per year(not counting deductibles and copays- another $400+), you have to pay electric, water, etc-$2000+ per year, you have to buy your own food-$5000+ per year, you have to pay a gym to stay in shape- $300+ per year, you have to buy your own work clothes- $3000+ per year(I have to wear suits), and you have to pay for your own college education- $10,000+ per year(based on a 4 year hitch). So before I get ANY MOTHERF*CKING BASE PAY, I have to make $31,000+ AFTER TAXES! I had it MADE when I was in the Army! I actually tried to reenlist after 9/11, but they wouldn’t let me back in as 11B(Infantry) due to my knee, and I didn’t want to go back in for a desk job. People who are complaining are the people who like sitting on their fat asses instead of working. Sure it’s hard, but I haven’t seen my daughter(other than on webcam) in 3 YEARS because I moved across the country to get a better job, then got laid off and couldn’t afford to move back working for $10 an hour at temp jobs(That is $20,000 a year working full time, actually only made $14,300 due to bouts of unemployment). SO QUIT YOUR BITCHING AND REALIZE HOW GOOD YOU HAVE IT!

October 15, 2011 at 9:38 pm
(272) officer H says:

I concur with you and I hope things works out for you and your family. I love the Army and after all lets not forget people!!!! this is a choice you made to join the Armed Forces you can alway get out!!!!! I love America you can volunteer at your own risks!!!lol

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